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SamE1 (California)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I live in a condo complex in Southern CA. We had a water leak from the roof (gutters, downspouts etc.) onto one stack of condos. The owner of the bottom unit (who is also a Board member) had a mold test done.

The results showed the tests of four different types of mold -- three of which appeared to be in the normal ranges; one type/test appeared to be elevated. He is now asking for the HOA to pay for a complete clean-up of the mold.

I've heard that not all types are dangerous so there should be no need to clean it all up.

Below are the results... showing only the Aspergillus/Penicillium mold spores to be "significantly elevated". Is this one of the bad ones that require clean-up?

Thank you~
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Results

The total concentration of mold spores detected on Sample was not elevated relative to the total concentration of mold spores detected on Exterior Baseline Sample.
• Concentrations of Alternaria, Ascospores & Aspergillus/Penicillium mold spores were observed during
analysis of Sample 17813372.
• The concentration of Alternaria spores detected on Sample 17813372 was elevated relative to the
respective concentration detected on Sample 17813348.
• The concentration of Ascospores spores detected on Sample 17813372 was not elevated relative to the
respective concentration detected on Sample 17813348.
• The concentration of Aspergillus/Penicillium mold spores detected on Sample 17813372 was
“significantly elevated” relative
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Sam: The best way to find an answer to your question is to "Google" the types of molds you have listed.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
At an owner's insistence, we had some testing done in his unit (we're a high rise), and the testing company itself wrote an opinion that the small amount of mold that was present posed no health risks.

The owner insisted on a second opinion, which yielded the same results. Don't remember the "type" of mold, but as a board, we took no action of the owners request to replace bathroom flooring at our HOA's expense.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Carol

While not down playing mold, it seems to have become the issue de jour for many.

My initial response to the unit owner would be if you feel there is an issue then you have the testing done. Once the results were known, then I would consider having the association pay for a 2nd test to aid us in determining how to handle it.

Hope this helps.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
From this web site (which appears to be a mold inspection company) I offer the following [emphasis added]

Aspergillus
This genera is found on many different textiles and organic materials such as soil, compost, stored grain, wood and paper and its moisture requirements vary widely with some preferring dryer conditions. If is often found in water damaged carpet. It is a dry spore and spores may be carried in the air making Aspergillus a common cause of respiratory irritation and infection. The mold may be woolly or cottony in texture and shades of green, brown or black in color. The spores are similar to Penicillium spores and sometimes indistinguishable through non-viable analysis, and as such, are often classified as Penicillium/Aspergillus. Elevation of any one species of Aspergillus in viable samples can be an indication of the growth of that mold inside a building. Species, such as A. niger, A. versicolor, A. fumigatus, and A. flavus, are most commonly found in water damaged buildings. If elevated levels of Aspergillus species or Penicillum/Aspergillus spores (non-viable sampling) are reported in a building, but not visible mold is observed, the source if often in the carpeting. Aspergillus and Penicillium are the most commonly reported molds found if water damaged carpeting is present. These molds feed well on the jute backing of carpeting, the glues in the carpet padding, and on the organic dust that accumulates in carpet. High levels of moisture vapor emitted from slab foundations will frequently cause elevated levels of Penicillium and Aspergillus. Sometimes the presence of higher levels of spores indoors than outdoors is not due to the presence of mold growth indoors. Aspergillus species have dry spores that get washed out of outdoor air during rain events or periods of high fog, which drastically reduces outdoor levels. There can often be a lag in the change in indoor levels, which can lead to higher levels indoors when compared to outdoor levels. As long as the level is still within the normal range for the mold elevated indoor levels may not be a problem. Since the spores of these molds are a common part of carpet dust, recent vacuuming without a HEPA filter can also temporarily cause elevated levels indoors.

It appears that the mold they are complaining about is common in carpets. I'd suggest advising the individual to have the carpets cleaned (or at least buy a better vacuum cleaner and use it).

One thing I did discover is that most of the responses on mold when performing an internet search is from companies who want to sell you a service. Therefore, one needs to expect some form of embellishment when reading those pages.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Not all mold is dangerous and is very common. It is very very rare to find toxic mold. However, mold irridicating companies may tell you this but still give you test results of the other non-toxic molds to sell you on their service. "Well you don't have that so-and-so dangerous mold but these levels of this mold is high"....What they don't tell you is most of this mold your looking at from a leak can be cleaned up with bleach/water and stain blocker paint. Worst cases just may have to replace a piece of drywall due more to the damage.

People don't like the idea for some reason that just spraying a combo of bleach and water on their walls is going to "resolve" their issue. They always want something more and more drastic done. They will say "That's NOT going to resolve it and demand a professional". Ironically, that professional will most likely just come in with a sprayer filled with a bleach solution and spray the walls. It's kind of psychological issue besides just the physical repair.

The mold battle is one of those situations that is tough to battle. It is a simple solution but due to the large amount of misinformation out there, your best bet is to be the best educated. Find a real expert that's not trying to sell you a product/service and have them come and discuss it with the people. Not sure what expert to look for but you may find one in the home inspection field or other proffessional service. Basically, get educated on the subject and buy a sprayer and some bleach...

Former HOA President
SamE1 (California)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Thanks. I've seen the test results - and they indicated no health risk and said the howeowner (the Board member) and his wife/2 kids) were safe to remain in the unit. This is why I'm unlcear that he is now asking for a full removal of the mold (at a cost estimated to be $25,000!). This was from a leak that occred 2x... from what I have heard, mold that needs to be removed is generally caused by slow/ongoing water leaks - not one or two time leaks that were quickly stopped. I'm unclear how he would be able to remain in his unit all these months if there was a danger and the mold needed to be removed? He is planning to sell his unit soon... The HOA immediately put in large industrial dryers in his unit to absorb the moisture after the leak.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Sounds like he wants the Association to replace his carpeting at the memberships expense so he doesn't have to in order to make the unit more presentable to a potential buyer.
EdmundS1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 45
Posted:
Soungs like your microbiology tests are clean and there is no significant health risk associate with the mold that is present. It does need to be cleaned up, long tern expose could cause allery problems for the resident, pets, guests and you need to clean it up to be able to tell if it comes back or you didn't get it all the first time.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
My wife had worked for a large mold remediation company and is certified in numerous fields regarding the matter. She had questioned as to whether the HOA used dehumidifiers or air movers while the leak was active. If air movers were used while still moist, she mentioned that there is an increased risk in spreading the mold.

She had also stated that with elevated (but not dangerous levels) of the particular mold mentioned, removing the affected areas, such as a piece of dry wall, and running an air scrubber could be all that is needed.

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