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PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
if an HOA Board imposes fines on a homeowner WITHOUT an established fine structure in place, and then the property manager company diverts the homeowners monthly assessment (dues) money that was sent in on time to pay towards the 'fines' and then places the homeowner's account in a delinquency state for unpaid assessments, is this legal? If not, does anyone know of any federal agency that would investigate this?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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if an HOA Board imposes fines on a homeowner WITHOUT an established fine structure in place, and then the property manager company diverts the homeowners monthly assessment (dues) money that was sent in on time to pay towards the 'fines' and then places the homeowner's account in a delinquency state for unpaid assessments, is this legal?


Depends. Too many factors, how your btlaws/ccr's are written. What policies have been passed over the years regarding payment priority, etc. Maybe there is a fine policy but your not aware of it. Keep digging.

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If not, does anyone know of any federal agency that would investigate this?


None. If you want to pursue this, your on your own. You can sue the HOA in court and have a judge decide. If you win, your dues may go up to pay for the HOA attorney. If you loose, you may hate to pay for the HOA attorney.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Our HOA applies payments first to any amounts in arrears. This could be unpaid prior month dues, late fees or fines assessed for violations. Any remaining amount is then credited to the current month's dues.

I believe this is a common practice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Our policy is that funds are applied first to any charges, costs of collections, legal fees or court costs, if any, on their account then toward past due assessments then toward current assessment due.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Pat,

Steve gave you good information. I would like to expand on his one answer to your question "does anyone know of any federal agency that would investigate this?"

Typically, there is no State or Federal government agency that can be contacted to gain assistance. Therefore, it's up to the membership to take care of the issues themselves.

In general, the CC&Rs (deed restrictions) are considered a civil contract between all owners of the properties that have the same deed restrictions attached. Associations are formed to maintain and/or operate the common area and fulfill any services (trash/recycling, snow removal, street lighting, etc.) required by the CC&Rs. Per the CC&Rs, the Association is also given the authority (in addition to the owners) to enforce the covenants, restrictions and conditions of the deed restrictions (contract). Typically, Associations are incorporated (usually as a nonprofit) as this provides them certain advantages. As a corporation they must comply with corporate laws in addition to any HOA/COA laws.

As you know there are civil laws and criminal laws. Criminal laws are enforced by the State. Civil laws are usually enforced by the individuals involved and they do this through the court system. Since contracts, hoa/coa laws and corporate laws are considered civil laws, there is typically limited governmental authorities to "oversee" or enforce those laws.

Sure the State corporation commission may fine for not filing the annual report on time. The IRS will certainly go after the Association for failing to file taxes. The District Attorney will prosecute if criminal laws are broken (example embezzlement). However if the Association doesn't comply with the Bylaws or a civil law, it's up to the membership to hold the Board accountable. The easiest way would be to recall the board or not reelect them to the Board. The more expensive option is to go through the court system.

This is why it's imperative that the members remain active in the development and actually take an interest in how the Association is governed. If apathy sets in (and, unfortunately it does), it becomes that much more difficult to change things when issues are discovered.

This is also why Steve said you need to see what your governing documents (which includes any resolutions) specify on how payments will be applied to determine if the Board (or the MC) is complying with your documents.

I will add that most Associations have language that specifies any fines will be considered an assessment against the lot.

Hope this helps,

Tim

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Pat

What was the fine for and the amount of the fine? Also do you disagree with the fine being levied?

Thanks
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By TimB4 on 09/13/2012 2:59 AM
Our policy is that funds are applied first to any charges, costs of collections, legal fees or court costs, if any, on their account then toward past due assessments then toward current assessment due.

This policy would be very wrong under current Arizona law. Maybe some other states, as well.

In AZ, if an HOA levies a fine and the owner refuses to pay the HOA is then required to either sue for a judgment in court or forget about it. If the HOA gets a judgment and the owner still refuses to pay, the HOA can record a lien on the property but cannot foreclose over unpaid fines.

If a homeowner pays his assessment and the HOA diverts that payment toward the fine, the HOA can then use this a a pretext to foreclose for nonpayment of the assessment. This would not hold up in a foreclosure proceeding.
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
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Posted By LarryB13 on 09/13/2012 12:44 PM
Posted By TimB4 on 09/13/2012 2:59 AM
Our policy is that funds are applied first to any charges, costs of collections, legal fees or court costs, if any, on their account then toward past due assessments then toward current assessment due.


This policy would be very wrong under current Arizona law. Maybe some other states, as well.

In AZ, if an HOA levies a fine and the owner refuses to pay the HOA is then required to either sue for a judgment in court or forget about it. If the HOA gets a judgment and the owner still refuses to pay, the HOA can record a lien on the property but cannot foreclose over unpaid fines.

If a homeowner pays his assessment and the HOA diverts that payment toward the fine, the HOA can then use this a a pretext to foreclose for nonpayment of the assessment. This would not hold up in a foreclosure proceeding.

Not sure but I think applying assessment funds to unpaid fines would not fly in California? When we lost the ability to lien for unpaid fines our unpaid fines went WAY up. We can only lien for unpaid assessments or if the Assn performs work for safety or health reasons and the member does not pay, we call it "Alternative Remedies". It is then classified as a special assessment which we can lien for, but to the best of my knowledge in the last sixteen years we haven't done that. Our fine situation is a joke.
The only thing we can do is withhold amenity privileges, and as almost all of our non-compliance violations involve short and long term rental properties, it is basically worthless. I would think a fine schedule would be required for consistency purposes?

Paul T
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
This is legal in Ohio but don't know about anywhere else.
PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
thanks for all your replies. To clarify, there is no fine structure in place. The notion of imposing fines has been determined to conclude that they cannot be imposed. The heart of the question is can the property manager divert monthly assessment money towards paying fines that they cannot impose to begin with and then put your account in a delinquency status for unpaid monthly assessments? Thanks for all your answers....
PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
can't impose the fine without an established fine structure
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
What we are seeing here is that California and Arizona have homeowner protections in place and in states without these protections an association can do whatever it wants. Most people do not have the money to hire an attorney to fight these association-originated illegal acts. Basically, it is justice for the rich only. Sad.
Jeanne
JenniferL6 (Illinois)
Posts: 11
Posted:
With all due respect, our HOA is self-run and while we do impose fines, it is not to benefit anyone but our fellow homeowners. Nobody lines their own pockets with any fines collected (at least not legally), they go to benefit the entire community. In fact, having the fine structure in place gives us a means to correct the issues that are having a negative impact on on our fellow homeowners too. If talking to them was all it took we'd never have a problem. Some people only respond when it starts to hurt their pocketbook, they aren't interested when it's only hurting others.

Yes there are sadly a lot of associations that abuse their position and cause unfair stress to their owners, but that shouldn't mean that the ones that do it by the book should be left with no way to take action against people who apparently can't live among others in a civil way without having to be policed.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Jennifer:
I couldn't agree with you more. I didn't mean to imply that it was wrong to use fines to encourage compliance. What I said was that there needs to be a mechanism in place to deal with malicious fining. There's an article in the list serve next to this forum that describes a builder who used association fines to get the money to pay for expenses in his other businesses. Fortunately, the law got him.
Jeanne
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
There should be a proper procedure in place for fines clearly spelled out and evenly and fairly applied. Without that boards can abuse their powers and some do. A management company has no right to fine anyone without board approval.

Whether Boards can fine without a proper fining procedure in place is an interesting question. Some owners simply refuse to follow even the most common sense rules. Unfortunately, fining seems to be the only way to get their attention. There is no point in having fines if they aren't enforceable.

Boards do have a legal obligation to enforce the rules and regulations and unless a court determined that the rules were unevenly applied or prejudiced against some one etc. my guess is that they would side with the Association.

There is no point in having rules if you don't enforce them. Just let everyone do whatever they want and watch your property values drop.

I am curious to know what rule you didn't follow to get a fine that you are so adament about.

PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
there are a number of homeowners involved...being fined by a board that violates the covenants themselves
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Pat ... it sounds like the homeowners need to get together and come up with a procedure for enforcing your governing documents. Rules are for the board as well ... so maybe a new board is needed as well.

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