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AustinP (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I live in a townhome community in Florida. The residents are fed up with the property management company, but unfortunately, we are still builder controlled. I have been requesting documents since July of this year ranging from contracts to financial records. When I requested these documents, certain items kept being omitted. I was told by some legal friends to send the management company a certified letter stating what you were requesting, this way I would be covered under the state statutes. So I did this and out of the list of more than 15 items, I only received 6 back. The one's I didn’t receive were the same that the management company was omitting in the beginning. Audited records, yearend tax returns for the community association, contracts, and payments made by the developer to our community were just some of the items missing. Since the management company still won't release these documents, does anyone know what I need to do or can do next? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
If the statutes say the association must produce certain documents on request, you requested documents that fall within the statutes, and they fail to produce all the documents without an explanation, you have two choices:
Live with it; or
Seek an injunction to require production of the missing documents.

Not too many choices when a party refuses or fails to do what is required of him by law.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
The catch is what documents are you entitled to have? As you are under declarant control, I would assume one is not entitled to as many documents as when under owner controlled.

The real question is:

What HOA documents is an individual owner entitled to have copies of in a FL HOA that is still under declarant control?

StanleyW1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Perhaps one of your legal friends would be willing to write a letter, on Attorney stationery, requesting the documents. This may indicate to them you are more serious about considering legal action, if you are indeed entitled to them.
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Are you a condominium assoc. under 718 or an HOA under 720? Your declaration should spell out if you are a condominium. You (or anyone on this site )cannot begin to research the statutes until you provide this information
AustinP (Florida)
Posts: 8
Posted:
We are under Chapter 720- HOA law. The items I requested are legally allowed to be requested per 720.303 statute. I was suprised as well as my legal buddy that the MC did not turn these items over. I'm trying to limit the legal part because we have not transitioned. Any legal work will have to be out of pocket for me. Since the start, this MC has been very secretive with sharing the community documents not only with me, but with other residents as well. It draws a red flag for me especially since I followed state statute and still would up in the same place- incomplete documents.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Are you contacting the board first? The MC is a contractor to the HOA. the board may need to direct the MC to release this information after you contact them.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
[emphasis added]
Quote:
Posted By AustinP on 09/08/2012 7:02 PM

I was suprised as well as my legal buddy that the MC did not turn these items over.

Per 720.303 (5) INSPECTION AND COPYING OF RECORDS (scroll down in the link),[emphasis added] "The official records shall be maintained within the state and must be open to inspection and available for photocopying by members"

Austin,

It appears from your post that you are asking for copies of the records. Per FL law - the Association doesn't have to provide you copies. If, and the statute is very clear on this, IF their is a photocopier at the same location where the records are maintained they must provide copies if requested during an inspection of those records.

Requiring access to inspect the records (as provided in the law) is not the same as requiring the Association to copy those records and mail them to the member.

You absolutely have a right to inspect those records. This requires you to make arrangements to meet with the record keeper (the MC, a board member, the registered agent, etc) during a reasonable time (typical business days: 9-5 M-F) and provide those records for you to look at (i.e. inspect). While you are physically present, and if a copy machine is available at the inspection site, the Association must provide copies of up to 25 pages (they can refuse to copy the 26th page).

NOTE: per that statute, the Association may also charge you for those copies, including any costs associated with making those copies (i.e. the salary/billable hours for the individuals time to pull the record, review it to make sure it's in compliance with the law, the time to physically make the copy, the time to put the original back and the time to deliver the copy to you).

Question: Did you request to inspect the records or did you request for a copy of the records?

As posted above - the Association does not have to honor a request for copies unless it is requested during the actual inspection.

I'm not saying I agree with the law. I'm just pointing out the specifics of the law as I understand it based on the language used within the statute. Associations must comply with the law as written.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By AustinP on 09/08/2012 11:09 AM

Audited records, yearend tax returns for the community association, contracts, and payments made by the developer to our community were just some of the items missing.

Audited Records - The audit report (if an audit was done) should certainly be available. However, since a lot of the audit deals with individual lot ledgers, the specifics on different lots would be unreleasable. I suspect that an audit wasn't performed which may be why there is no audit report to provide.

Tax Returns - These should have been provided. Are they being filed?

Contracts - Should have been provided.

Payments made by the developer - I'm not sure what your looking for. Typically financial ledgers of other members can not be provided.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
NOT: should have been provided

REQUIRED: made available for inspection (by appointment, generally)
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

True. As I pointed out on other threads, available for inspection is not the same as being provided a copy.

I stand corrected.

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