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RayM6 (Virginia)
Posts: 40
Posted:
Hi all,

I'm new here, so apologize if this has been asked and answered. I am a new board member on an association in Virginia. We have had requests to use our clubhouse for poker tournaments, involving gambling with money. There are folks on both sides of the issue, so I'd like to know if other associations allow, or if it is even legal?

thanks
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RayM6 on 09/07/2012 1:32 PM
Hi all,

I'm new here, so apologize if this has been asked and answered. I am a new board member on an association in Virginia. We have had requests to use our clubhouse for poker tournaments, involving gambling with money. There are folks on both sides of the issue, so I'd like to know if other associations allow, or if it is even legal?

thanks

Most states have laws regarding all forms of gambling, including bingo. Some organizations may be permitted to operate some games, but certain conditions and restrictions may apply, may include the need to obtain a permit. If your state has certain restrictions and you don't comply, then you are in violation of the law and are subject to whatever penalties the law prescribes.

Tim, who is from Virginia, visits this forum several times a day. I'm sure he will give you a comprehensive and well informed answer.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
I am on a board in Virginia. We have researched this issue extensively. Basically the answer is that games of chance are illegal in Virginia except when conducted in your residence. The exception is Bingo which is licensed by the state and must be conducted by a charitable organization.

We are a gated community with an access controlled clubhouse. We would like to sponsor weekly small stakes poker nights. We felt that our private clubhouse would be no different than a private residence. However, after consulting with the state gaming commission and our attorney, the technical answer is that this would not be legal. We were told by the county sheriff that his department would not be concerned about this type of activity but the board has decided to post notices in our card room (which incidently is furnished with card tables with slots for poker chips) that poker playing is illegal.

A group of our residents (myself included) plays poker in the card room twice a week. No money is seen changing hands. The board has chosen to ignore this (don't ask, don't tell) but will not authorize poker as an official association event.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Sometimes people can be sore losers. Its possible, one of your fellow players who looses big will turn the HOA in someday.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 09/07/2012 5:34 PM
Sometimes people can be sore losers. Its possible, one of your fellow players who looses big will turn the HOA in someday.

Well, a big loser in our games might be down $10 so its not much of a risk.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Hi Ray,

I agree with David.

The Association should calmly say that VA law prohibits it, deny the application and then move on.

Here are the applicable VA laws:

Title 18.2 Chapter 8
Title 11 Chapter 3
RayM5 (Virginia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks for the help, everyone.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I say rent the clubhouse as individuals and play poker all you want. Don't involve the HOA. It's just neighbors getting together on their own time using a facility that is available to them. I don't see why the HOA has to give any blessing or involvement at all in this. Just leave the HOA out of it and make this a neighborly thing you all do on your own.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Poker games, gambling? You have to be kidding me? Yes we do have a bunch of old men that get together to play poker but they play for chips, not real money.

SueW6 (Michigan)
Posts: 814
Posted:
Private party or are outsiders invited?

Your member use/rental agreement should mention prohibiting illegal conduct by the renter. Whether the board wants to govern a private card playing party is their choice.

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