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KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
As you may have read from my previous posts regarding the HOAs I have dealt with, one association had asserted for nearly 5 years that they had the authority to convert from voluntary to voluntary (with mandatory maintenance assessments for all). Well, something new has come to light from the court case against the HOA and their attorney - a letter from ten years ago that talks about the legality of the proposed changes the HOA wanted to make (enforcing mandatory assessments on every homeowner, even non-members). I thought the letter was interesting because of the advice the lawyer gave to the HOA and the course of action they had taken. I was curious as to the actions or opinions the experienced board members on this site would have taken.

The letter reads as follows (emphasis added):

I have now had the opportunity to thoroughly review all of the recorded covenants and restrictions for XXXXXXXXXX as provided to me by the Board of Directors. This includes Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions for Sections 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 7A, 8, 9, 10, 10A, and 11 of XXXXXXXXXXXXXX. The the extent that there may be additional, recorded, covenants and restrictions or amendments of which I am unaware, this opinion could change.

The last time we met, I explained the state of the law in Florida relating to the conversion of a voluntary paying Association to a mandatory pay system. Specifically, I discussed the fact that the law in Florida is still somewhat unclear as to the extant by which we can amend the governing documents to create mandatory fees or assessments and the fact that a court could hold any such amendments invalid. The only way to guarantee the enforceability of any such amendments would be for the Association to have the amendments approved by 100% of all of the affected homeowners within XXXXXXXXXX, joined by the mortgage companies. Obviously, for practical reasons, this would be impossible. Therefore, our goal is to amend each of these Declarations for each section with a majority approval as required for all other amendments pursuant to the language in your covenants and restrictions. Though the current state of the law does not allow us to guarantee such amendments with less than 100%, it is my opinion that we would have a very strong arguments to support their validity. I am particularly pleased to see numerous references to a homeowners association in each of your Declarations which, in my opinion gives us even stronger arguments in favor of a mandatory pay amendment compared to those of your surrounding communities.

Understanding the legal difficulties and "gray" areas of the law involved in this matter, the Board, unfortunately must make some difficult decisions relating to the extent by which you wish to test the waters with an amendment.


Two things. One, the original covenants and restrictions of each of the sections have brief mention of homeowners associations, only urging lot owners "to form a homeowners association" and if they choose to do so require a certain percentage of homeowners in that particular section to annually agree to the existence of a HOA through a membership roll. Each section would have had to meet these separate requirements since each section had its own covenants and restrictions.

Secondly, there are provisions in the original covenants and restrictions that grants sole authority to modify the covenants and restrictions to a local philanthropic foundation. Any alteration to the governing documents would require their consent.

Concerning both of those points, membership rolls were not kept in accordance with the C&Rs and the philanthropic foundation did not give their consent to the changes and felt they were invalid, but were not going to waste their time in court because it did not directly affect them.

Also, consider that after this letter, the HOA and their lawyer insisted that they were not converting the association to mandatory - just mandatory pay - and that they were completely in the right to do so with the law backing them up. When the conversion was first trying to be enforced my family sent a letter to both the HOA and their attorney asking what law they based their new C&Rs on. Their lawyer cited a county collections case in a neighboring community as proof we needed to pay and told us that if we didn't they would take us to court and force us to pay all legal fees.

Knowing this, what are some thoughts on this lawyer's opinion?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Based on what's provided,

The attorney said the law is untested but they believe an argument can be made.
The attorney then said, the decision is the Board's to make.

Apparently, the Board decided to go ahead and test the waters. Therefore, the Attorney took the position that the argument was solid and that is how any communication to the membership would sound (as in the Board's eye's the argument is solid and it's up to the membership to test it).

My question is:

How did you obtain the legal opinion (as it appears to be attorney-client related)?
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
The letter was posted on a website and was most likely obtained through discovery, although I cannot say for certain.

I understand the HOA made a gamble, but I would be hesitant if my attorney stated that it was a "gray" area of the law and that the law would typically require 100% but because they felt it was untested they were going to go ahead with a simple majority. I also think that reference of the requirements from the original C&Rs to be interesting since the attorney obviously decided to ignore them - in the trial where the HOA's attorney argued the amended C&R's validity, he reluctantly told the judge he had no documentation for the last 20+ years meeting the membership roll requirement and that he wasn't there to argue paperwork but intent and insisted his majority homeowners who signed the joinders to their properties trumped a membership roll.

It just seemed like a steep gamble. This same attorney had also told another HOA that the proposed changes are a "gray" area and that they would stick if no one bucks the system and files a lawsuit. That HOA decided to decline his legal advice. I would think that if there was more in support of an argument other then simple wording in a covenant and untested laws then the HOA would have had a better chance - especially a HOA that had virtually no money to fight a protracted legal battle.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
The lawyer was correct then, as long as no-one challenges it, there isn't an issue. If challenged, then an argument can be made but it's 50/50 on how the judge or jury would rule.

Since I don't have access to the language in the governing documents, the maintenance items/requirements, budget, etc. I can't offer an opinion on if I would test the gray area of the law or not.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I guess the payoff seemed worth it. If the association was to successfully pull off their conversion and amended every section's documents, they would have seen their revenue increase from 300%. They had typically saw around 250-300 voluntary payments but that amount would have increased to over 900.

The lawyer would have also seen an increase in business - his potential customer count would have increased exponentially from zero with a voluntary association. This is partially why I think the lawyer was involved in many of the conversions in the area - money. The case he cited from a close by neighborhood involved a homeowner not paying after the conversion eventually backed down when the attorney them to collections. I felt that the attorney took a heavy-handed approach to keep his methodology safe. He probably didn't expect a homeowner in one of the neighborhoods he converted to have the resources to fight this thing for several years.

My opinion was that the board was blinded by their own greed and aspirations (same goes for the lawyer). T

What is sad is that since the court ruling, voluntary payments to the association have hit an all-time low, but the board is still fighting. Now, their only hope is to have their amended covenants upheld.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 08/31/2012 7:06 AM
The lawyer was correct then, as long as no-one challenges it, there isn't an issue. If challenged, then an argument can be made but it's 50/50 on how the judge or jury would rule.

Since I don't have access to the language in the governing documents, the maintenance items/requirements, budget, etc. I can't offer an opinion on if I would test the gray area of the law or not.

The covenants are rather simple. There is no mention to budgets or anything specific. It just outlines what you cannot do with your property - no commercial trucks in excess of half-ton be parked on the property and boats must be encolsed and out of sight, no temporary buildings may be constructed without approval from the ARC (long gone with the developer), no outdoor clothes drying, no increase in lot size, no noxious or offensive activity, no signage can be displayed, no lot can be used as a dumping ground, and the reference of the formation of the HOA:

22. In order to maintain the high standards of the
Subdivision and in order to supplement the
enforcement provisions as set forth herein in
regard to any violations of these Covenants and
Restrictions, the owners of the Lots in the
Subdivision are urged to form a homeowners
association, preferably in the form of a corporation
not for profit organized and existing under the
laws of the State of Florida. In order for such
home-owners association to be entitled to invoke
the powers of enforcement as herein granted to
the homeowners association by these Covenants
and Restrictions, said homeowners association
shall consist of the owners of not less than
twenty-five (25) lots in this Subdivision. Evidence
of compliance with this percentage shall be by a
membership roll signed by the owners of said
Lots and recertified to within three (3) weeks of
the close of each fiscal year adopted by the
homeowners association, such recertification to
be signed by said Lot owners. In the event the
homeowners association ceases to have the
required percentage of memberships at any time,
such homeowners association shall lose its
power and right of enforcement as granted
hereunder until such time as the membership roll
has increased to the owners of not less than
twenty-five lots in this Subdivision.


There is some variation to each section's covenants, with later sections having a couple additional covenants like "no chain link fences."
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Kevin posted "My opinion was that the board was blinded by their own greed and aspirations (same goes for the lawyer)." I agree.

However, we have been involved procedures which allow effectively amending the Declaration of CC&Rs to achieve going from voluntary HOA dues to manditory property assessments. It does not affect current owners but does involved any future buyer of a property after properly amending and filing of the amendment of the Covenants.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
That may have been their mistake (one of many?) in trying to enforce their mandatory assessment on current non-members. That didn't really leave much room for a grandfather clause. I think their other mistake was keeping homeowners in the dark and being as far from transparent as possible.

For instance, they continually told the membership that there was common property when in private meetings they admitted to not owning anything. They also insisted that it was a matter of $100 per year but their goals involved purchasing a plot of land near by and building a clubhouse, as well as constructing a multi-million dollar brick wall around the neighborhood - feats that would require much more than an annual $100 per year. There were also rumors of them purchasing land owned by the Board of County Commissioners instead of maintaining use agreements with the county.

Most homeowners accepted the "only $100" argument, and the association used this talking point to vilify their opponents as selfish cheapskates, but when I saw it I understood the costs associated with wanting a mandatory association with amenities and I wanted the rest of the neighborhood to understand what the BoD was getting them into.

If I were on the board I would have done things differently, and there were homeowners who either tried to be on the board or raised such concerns but were shut out. This letter has only been recently revealed to the neighborhood. The last interaction the membership had with the HOA's attorney, the attorney made it quite clear that he was their representing the HOA's interests - not the memberships - which is perfectly fine. I am just curious if other seasoned HOA people would have heeded this attorney's advice or gone to seek other council.

Another interesting fact - the HOA shopped around for new representation years ago until they found this one attorney who told them he could grant their wishes.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KevinK7 on 08/31/2012 10:00 AM

Another interesting fact - the HOA shopped around for new representation years ago until they found this one attorney who told them he could grant their wishes.

That is human nature. If I want confirmation of my reasoning, I'll keep asking different people until I get it.
It won't matter that 100 people disagreed, human nature will hang buddy up with the one who agreed and then, if things go wrong - blame the one who agreed with them (instead of taking the blame themselves for making a poor decision).

Hopefully, those individuals who volunteer and are elected to the Board will rise above their human nature and weigh each decision on legality, benefits and risk. Common Sense would be helpful here as well.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
That is what is playing out now - the BoD pointed fingers at their attorney and their attorney claimed they were just doing the BoD bidding!
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Kevin,

You mentioned that the letter from the lawyer is ten years old. In the not-so-recent past someone -- and I think it was you -- had a link to a site with a discussion of Florida HOA law. What little of if that I remember is that in the past few years there were a number of amendments to Florida statutes. I do not recall the specifics but I cannot help but wonder if any of those amendments would have changed the association's actions from questionable ten years ago to completely legal today?
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Not really. As far as I have read there has been no real big changes in the law. The only thing I can think of is Xeriscaping laws and solar collection laws, meaning the clothesline covenant that was in place would have been invalidated and if there were any yard requirements, that would have been invalidated too.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Kevin,

The site I was referring to was a 2005 article in the Florida State Bar Journal. The website is
http://www.floridabar.org/divcom/jn/jnjournal01.nsf/Author/A8A8DA7514A6718885256FF10060DF88

I do not know how much of this might apply to your situation but it does confirm that there has been at least one major amendment to Florida statutes regarding reviving old associations since the lawyer wrote his letter.
CaroleJ (Georgia)
Posts: 70
Posted:
Whether what the lawyer did was legal pales in significance to did the BOD and lawyer act morally and ethically. Anytime an end run and/or half truths are made in order to achieve one's goals, the battle is already lost for all of those involved, the BOD and the owners. Even if the BOD won the war, they'll never have the buy- in they need to accomplish their goals without ending up in the media as examples of why you shouldn't buy into an HOA.

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By LarryB13 on 08/31/2012 12:18 PM
Kevin,

The site I was referring to was a 2005 article in the Florida State Bar Journal. The website is
http://www.floridabar.org/divcom/jn/jnjournal01.nsf/Author/A8A8DA7514A6718885256FF10060DF88

I do not know how much of this might apply to your situation but it does confirm that there has been at least one major amendment to Florida statutes regarding reviving old associations since the lawyer wrote his letter.

Okay. I have read this site before and I don't think that this would apply to the situation because the details regarding this HOA didn't involve reinstating and renewing covenants but trying to get a new set published and whether or not they had the authority to do so. I attended the court hearing and the HOA's case was based on circumstantial evidence, intent, and for some reason, the HOA attorney kept referencing court cases for condos and trailer parks - not HOAs. The plaintiff's attorney stuck to the letter of the law and provided documentation and histories for everything.

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