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ShannonT (California)
Posts: 3
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I bought my condo in 2010. Since I moved in(I noticed HOA about me moving in and paid move in fee), I've been paying HOA fee every month on time. I thought I was OK until I got a letter saying I owe HOA A LOT OF money, because HOA fee has been increasing yearly but I never received any notice, so every month there's a late fee, which keeps accumulating.

They emailed me my account statement and surprisingly I found my old rental address on it, which means they've been mailing everything to my old rental address, which I moved out when I purchase the property.

My question is, shouldn't HOA send all mails to the property address? Otherwise, do home buyers need to formally notify HOA to change their mailing address to the property address after they purchase the property?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Things fall through the cracks all of the time, sometimes people input the wrong information. You should write a polite letter to the HOA notifying them of their error and requesting that they remove the late fees and that you will immediately pay all past due assessments.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By ShannonT on 08/29/2012 10:47 PM

My question is, shouldn't HOA send all mails to the property address?

Associations are to send notices, etc. to the address they have on record for the member.

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Posted By ShannonT on 08/29/2012 10:47 PM

Otherwise, do home buyers need to formally notify HOA to change their mailing address to the property address after they purchase the property?

Since Associations are not part of the selling process, it's up to the purchaser to inform the Association (just as they would the local utilities) of their new mailing address.

It's also the responsibility of non-resident owners to notify the Association of any changes in their mailing addresses.

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Posted By ShannonT on 08/29/2012 10:47 PM

I bought my condo in 2010. Since I moved in(I noticed HOA about me moving in and paid move in fee)

Since you did inform the Association of your new mailing address, I am echoing Glens advice. Contact the board, inform them that you are certainly willing to make the payments and request that the late fees, etc. be waived as it appears the Association failed to update their records.

Question: Isn't there an Association newsletter or notices of meetings that are distributed to the membership (we put ours on the porch railings of the property)? I ask, because it's typical for Associations to inform the membership through the newsletter (in addition to direct mailing). If this is the case for your Association, you might need to also explain how this info wasn't successful in informing you of the change in Assessment amount.

Tim
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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The HOA should only send correspondence to the HOA address. They may send it to BOTH addresses IF requested but a copy should always go to the HOA address. That is for legal reasons. Many times you here about foreclosure cases by a HOA where the person claims they never received notice. It's because they were using the HOA property as rental or vacation, and never picked up the notices/mail. Whether this is intentional or not is irrelevant. The HOA when it forecloses or places a lien against a property it's going to be against that HOA property. Which means the notices are to go to that exact address.

There is confusion in all of this as HOA's can't necessarily regulate rental property. (Long story). Many HOA's don't get informed of the "real" addresses of the owners as it's NOT their responsibility to track down the owners. They just monitor the exact HOA property.

This issue should clear up if you show proof you have paid the dues with bank statements or cancelled checks. It should show the address you send the payments from. Never assume the HOA is going to notice the address on your check does reflect your "Real" address. They don't care where the check comes from. They just want to know what lot# that payment is going toward paying. That is why you ALWAYS put the Lot# of your HOA property on the checks.

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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/30/2012 10:01 AM
The HOA should only send correspondence to the HOA address.


This is not a universal rule, and where you need to mail notices may depend on your governing documents.

Our documents say that the HOA is required to send official notices by first-class mail to the address supplied to the Secretary by the memeber.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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That is why I said they SHOULD send it only to the HOA but also a copy to any other known address. That copy may get to the person for their proper notification but it is still a COPY. The official one goes to the HOA address.

Another consideration...When a lien or foreclosure is filed the notice is published in a PUBLIC resource such as a local newspaper. This is considered "PUBLIC NOTICE". Which makes it kind of irrelevant if the owner get the notice directed to their exact location. Once it goes public, there's no more legal excuse for the owner to cling to. By the way these notices are in the LEGALS section of your local classifieds. The time frequency they are printed varies paper to paper...It's not necessarily a daily printing...The notice does have to run for a few weeks or months...

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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 08/31/2012 10:14 PM
When a lien or foreclosure is filed the notice is published in a PUBLIC resource such as a local newspaper. This is considered "PUBLIC NOTICE". Which makes it kind of irrelevant if the owner get the notice directed to their exact location.


Parties to some legal proceedings, such as foreclosures, probate, and estate actions are sometimes required to publish public notices. This DOES NOT satisfy the legal requirement to serve notice to the defendant.

Also, liens are filed with the courts, but not published as a public notice as is the case with a foreclosure.

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Once it goes public, there's no more legal excuse for the owner to cling to.


If your governing documents require notice to be sent in a particular way, the homeowner will have ample defense against the action if the notice is not sent in exactly that way. It IS NOT sufficient to file a public notice and ignore specific notification requirements in your governing documents or state law.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
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So the HOA has been sending the assessment fee increase notification to your old rental address.

But you've been paying the fees by mail? By direct transfer online?

How did you get the letter saying you owed the HOA a lot of money?

Who did you give notification of your moving in to?

I'm wondering if there's a disconnect between the secretary and the treasurer or the management company and the board.

You might check your CC&R. Ours required that the secretary's name and contact info be prominently displayed. We, of course, had no idea who the secretary was because all the officers except the treasurer were kept a secret.

If you haven't attended a meeting and your HOA board hasn't been posting the meeting notifications in a common area, that could be a problem. If you have seen notifications for meetings and agendas, then it was your responsibility to keep informed. The board cannot raise assessment fees without a board meeting and without putting such items on an agenda. An agenda and meeting notification are required to be posted in a common area. The board is not required to send notification to the member unless it is written in the CC&R/bylaws or the member has made a request.
ShannonT (California)
Posts: 3
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I've been paying fees by mailing checks, and the sender's address on the envelope is always the property address, but I guess they never paid attention or didn't care.

I got the letter saying we owed a lot of money and a lien has been put on the property from a debt collecting company. So the HOA never told me that my account was delinquent and they intended to put a lien, or they only sent the notice to my old rental address. I first heard it when I got the letter from the debt collector, who sent notice to the property address.

When I moved in I called the management company and let them know. They told me to pay the moving in fee, which I did, and they have record.

I checked the CC&R and did not find to which address the HOA should send notices of delinquent account to. It only says "by certified mail". I do receive monthly newsletters from the HOA, but on the envelope the receiver is just "tenant" instead of my name. And because I've been getting letters sent by HOA, I never thought they were sending other important letters to my old rental address.

In the "Delinquent assessment collection policy statement", it says "all notices will be mailed to the record owner(s) at the last mailing address provided in writing to the Association by such owner(s)". I have never sent any letters to the HOA, expect check payments. I don't know exactly how they got my old rental address, maybe from the escrow company during the process of me buying the property? But it's definitely not provided by myself. I thought the HOA should send letters to the property address BY DEFAULT since I've never told them to send them elsewhere.

I just can't think of anything I did wrong. This is the first property I've ever bought and no body told me that I should write to the HOA to tell them that my mailing address is the property address but not my old rental address, and this just doesn't seem like a common sense to me.
ShannonT (California)
Posts: 3
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And I attended the HOA meeting once. They saw me and greeted me and asked my name and which unit I lived in, and I thought, well, the meeting is boring and nothing important. At that time my account was already delinquent but nobody told me about it, but I guess they didn't know either.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By ShannonT on 09/01/2012 11:51 PM
In the "Delinquent assessment collection policy statement", it says "all notices will be mailed to the record owner(s) at the last mailing address provided in writing to the Association by such owner(s)". [...] I thought the HOA should send letters to the property address BY DEFAULT since I've never told them to send them elsewhere.


Shannon,

Here's where assuming that your HOA will be fair or reasonable can get you into trouble. To be sure that your rights are respected, you have to understand and follow the rules in your CC&Rs.

If your documents say that the HOA will use a "mailing address provided in writing to the Association," then you should provide a mailing address in writing to be sure that you are getting proper notifications.

Depending on the good graces of your HOA to send notices where they ought to go is not wise and does not protect your rights.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By ShannonT on 09/01/2012 11:54 PM
And I attended the HOA meeting once. They saw me and greeted me and asked my name and which unit I lived in, and I thought, well, the meeting is boring and nothing important. At that time my account was already delinquent but nobody told me about it, but I guess they didn't know either.


Discussing a homeowner's account status is not appropriate at an open meeting. You should not expect anyone to bring up the matter of a delinquent account there. Public disclosure of private information is a violation of your privacy rights

Someone might have asked you if you had been receiving mailings from the association, but even that is treading on "thin ice."

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Shannon, it is very important that you respond to the letter from the collection agency within 30 days of receiving it, preferably by certified mail so you have proof of mailing. Do not try to do this over the phone as this only runs out you time to respond and puts you at a disadvantage. Since they are using a collection agency instead of doing it in house, they must abide by the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act. If you Google or Yahoo "debt collection letter response" you will see examples of response letters that include all of the necessary buzz words.


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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Shannon

This seems to be getting out of hand. I say go to the BOD and say there has been a misunderstanding so rather then keep this going or place blame, allow me to say Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa and ask how can I get caught up and end this problem for both our sakes.

If they refuse to listen, then say Mea Culpa..Mea Culpa and start all over.

If they are stupid enough to not work with you then say thank you for your time but I ask once again that you please reconsider.

If they are still stupid enough, then thank them and say it seems you are leaving me with no recourse other then discuss this with my attorney. Then zip lip and wait for a reply.

Do not mention recourse with my attorney unless you are willing to persue it.

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