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MarciaV (California)
Posts: 52
Posted:
I requested certain documents from the HOA president on June 15th. On June 16th - in an email he promised that he would have the documents to me in 2 days. It has been 10 weeks. I sent an email on August 1 asking where the documents were and he shot me back a nasty email about everything under the sun except my request for the documents.

What can I do to get these documents? The other board member is on his side and will not help. Only 8 units and self-managd.

In another matter:

In the email he was demanding that we sign a release that we would not sue him or the HOA and another document which is called the "Good Neighbor" policy. In the good neighbor policy - it has a "rule" that says no one who lives in our community can take pictures of the outside of the building or have anyone's car or person in any picture. We did not sign these.

Has anyone heard of a policy like this before?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What documents are you looking for and for what purpose? Need to understand if this is coming across as a "Witch hunt" or an actual right to view documents. Most people would take this request as one or the other. There must have been an issue here that they are taking it as a witch hunting expedition. That would explain the attitude.

Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So it's not recommended that a member sues their HOA in general. This rule they made up may have something to do with the issue you are having with them or one they percieve. Are you taking pictures or making complaints about home appearances? That may explain more to this issue than being posted.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By MarciaV on 08/27/2012 1:44 PM

What can I do to get these documents? The other board member is on his side and will not help. Only 8 units and self-managd.

Marcia,

I refer you to your previous thread, Subject: Records/Minutes/Books Requested -No response where many people responded with your options as they saw them.

As I posted in that thread:

1) Volunteer to serve on the Board (based on past posts, it sounds unlikely the board will accept but you don't know until you try).
2) gather support from other members and kick the people off the board (difficult with only 8 units in the HOA)
3) Try to involve the AZ Attorney General - (small case - hard to tell if they will investigate or not)
4) Sell and move
5) Live with it but keep a watchful eye on future expenses

Your only other option (than those already listed) is to hire an attorney and take the Association to court.

MarciaV (California)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Hi Tim and Melissa:

The documents I've asked for are copies of deposits, proxies, minutes, and receipts. He barely had any of these. The refusal to provide these is because he has misued our funds. He said he and the developer have fronted the HOA money. I asked to see the deposits. All he had was an excel spreadsheet with numbers on it. It can be manipulated any way he wants. I asked to see the meeting where a property manager was voted on and the man's contract. None. The "property manager" is a friend of his and he was paying his rent for his apt. I saw the copies of the checks to the apartment company. It goes on and on.

As for the picture taking - the president removed a railing from his balcony and sanded down his garage door. Both items have been like this for 2 years. The property is now not uniform. I did take pictures of his door and the rest of the building in case we needed it. No boats are allowed. The president decided to allow a boat. Took a picture of that. It's all really control by this guy. He told me he can do whatever he wants. Period.

I know the options given and none will work for the HOA. The only one now looks like suing the association - which I don't want to do, but when I'm trying to sell my home and I can't give a potential buyer any documents to show the HOA is in good standing legally and financialy - I believe that's going to be difficult. And, I won't tell a potential buyer that the HOA is in good standing.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Marcia,

Some of the records you have requested to see must be produced within ten days of a demand. I am not sure whether the law recognizes an email request but the fact that the president responded and promised to produce the records ought to be sufficient. Since he has not produced them and shows no inclination to do so, your only real option at this point is to seek an injunction for the production of the financial records.

There is no legal requirement that the property manager be hired at a board meeting, so do not waste too much time pursuing that. There is no proxy voting in Arizona, so ditch that effort, too.

I would tell him to stuff his requests that you absolve him of personal liability where the sun don't shine. Ditto for the no-picture rule. What's he gonna do if I stand out on the street and take a picture of his place? What's he gonna do about all those aerial photos of the place that one can find on sites such as Google Earth or the county assessor's website? It sounds like he has turn part of the property into an eyesore and trying to prevent you from documenting it.
MarciaV (California)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Hi, Larry: Thank you for the response. You are right about the property. He has made it worse and we are trying to sell. Do I seek an injunction with the superior court here? I looked on the website, but cannot locate a form or how to do that. Do you know if an attorney has to file that?

We have told him to stuff it about the release and the no picture rule and we keep getting harassed about it. I mean - nasty emails.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
You don't need to release ANY financial information of the HOA to any potential buyers. They are NOT members of the HOA. It's the HOA's responsibility to provide it IF a buyer wants to see it but they do NOT have to release that information.

Collections are usually NOT released to the general membership. You can know what you owe but not your neighbor. That does not mean you can't know the collection amount. It just does not need broken down per owner.

This sounds like a peeing contest in the making...I'd recommend you all work on keeping it in your pants and stop aiming at eachother...

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By MarciaV on 08/27/2012 4:36 PM
Hi, Larry: Thank you for the response. You are right about the property. He has made it worse and we are trying to sell. Do I seek an injunction with the superior court here? I looked on the website, but cannot locate a form or how to do that. Do you know if an attorney has to file that?

To get an injunction to compel production of documents, you will need to go to Superior Court. While you could do this yourself, your chances of success are pretty low as the rules are killers. You almost definitely need an attorney as the court is none to kind to do-it-yourselfers.

If the balcony where the president removed the railing is one that is intended to be walked on, get the city building department on his butt. You certainly would not want to see the poor man fall off his own balcony, would you?

If the president is harassing you, you might want to look into obtaining an injunction to prohibit harassment. This is one that the city court or justice court can issue. Contact the court for more information, but this is something you can do without an attorney.

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