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CarlosC3 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I need help interpeting my HOA renting rules, in particular the waiting list procedure. Here is what the renting rule says ( When the number of apartments being rented is less than four (4), the association will allow the first owner on the waiting list to rent his or her apartment. The Association will always allow the first owner on the waiting list to rent his or her apartment unless said owner no longer desires to rent the apartment.) My question is as follow: When does a rental unit become a non rental and when can the next owner on the waiting list would be allow to rent in accordance with this rule.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By CarlosC3 on 08/22/2012 11:19 PM
My question is as follow: When does a rental unit become a non rental and when can the next owner on the waiting list would be allow to rent in accordance with this rule.

You will have to ask your Association for that information, as there interpretation is the only one that counts. If you disagree with their interpretation, then you will need to challenge the issue in court or get elected to the board to change the interpretation.

My interpretation, based on what you provided, is that the rental unit quits being a rental unit when the owner moves back in or the unit is sold to someone else.

RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Carlos, My interpretation is the same as Tim's. The approval is for rental of the unit not approval of an individual lease. To do otherwise would be unreasonable to the owner of the approved rental of their unit.
CarlosC3 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
My understanding was that if the HOA has established a wainting list and the association only allow a max of 4 apartment to be rented and the same owner 4 owners keeps renting their unit forever, how are the other owners on the waiting list suppose to get a chance to rent their units. It seems unfair.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
I never said it was fair. You just asked for an interpretation.

You raise some valid arguments and concerns. I would suggest talking with your Board to see how they rotate the list.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Carlos,

Are these renting rules part of your recorded deed restrictions or are they rules adopted by the board?

This is important because in Arizona the courts have held that an association may not adopt bylaws that create deed restrictions that do not appear in the CC&R's. This came about when a condo association tried to amend its bylaws to create a 55+ community, as described in Wilson v. Playa de Serrano.

The Court said, "[G]enerally, to impose a restriction on a lot owner’s use of the lot, the restriction must appear in the recorded declarations. If the recorded declaration does not contain or at least provide for later adoption of a particular restriction or requirement, that restriction or requirement is invalid."

Assuming that the rental restrictions are not in the CC&R's, you have a lot of options and none of them are any too good as all will cost you.

You could just go ahead and rent your unit out and let the board deal with it. As long as you pay your assessments, they cannot foreclose. They can fine you but then they must take you to court before they can file a lien. While this would give you an opportunity to present your case that the board has no power to make this restriction, you would be doing so as a defendant in a justice court. Justices of the Peace are not usually attorney's and presenting any sort of defense based on the law in a justice court is risky.

You could just sell the place, take your lumps, and move on with your life.

You could also seek declaratory judgment or an injunction that would prevent the association from enforcing its rules. This will cost you some money up front but you may be able to recover some or all of your expenses if you prevail. The advantage to this approach is that you start out in Superior Court where the case is heard by a real judge and can be appealed if you lose.

As a last resort, you could form an association for the rehabilitation of violent offenders and put the association on your deed as co-owners. Then inform your board that since you cannot rent your unit that all future occupants will be those previously convicted of violent crimes.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
So does this mean a homeowner could then lease their property instead?
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By KevinK7 on 08/23/2012 12:25 PM
So does this mean a homeowner could then lease their property instead?

If you could prove that there is a difference between a lease and a rental.
CarlosC3 (Arizona)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Larry,
The renting rules are part of the CC&R. The CC&R says that owners needs to submit a written notification to the HOA if they desire to be put on the waiting list. The rental units never submitted the notification and the board never approved it, the board doesn't have any document to support that these units are being rented at this time, no copy of lease. The HOA is saying that at the time when these units started to rent, there was no other units being rented, therefore it's okay for them to do so. One of the unit that is a rental is also behind on monthly dues for over 2 years and the HOA is not fining this unit for voilating the assesment rules. Larry do you know if Arizona has an enforcement rule like the one in California.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Carlos,

I am not sure what California rule you are referring to but in AZ the association has several options to collect from a non-paying owner.

The association can file a civil suit against the owner and obtain a judgment. In this case, where someone is paying rent, the association may be able to get a court order to attach the rental payments. That is, to make the tenant pay his rent to the association until the judgment is satisfied.

Once an association has a judgment for the unpaid assessments, it can initiate a foreclosure action but in this economy it is not recommended. If the owner has a deed of trust he may owe far more than the property is worth and the deed of trust takes priority over association liens. Therefore, the court-ordered foreclosure auction would likely not raise enough money to pay both the deed of trust and the association.
PaulT6 (California)
Posts: 409
Posted:
Kind of a side issue, but in our 6,000 member HOA during the 16 years I was Chairman of our Covenants Committee almost ALL of our rules violations involved short and long term rentals. Suggest you be very cautious who you rent to.

Paul T

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