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BillP16 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I'm a volunteer on a committee assisting the HOA of a large (400+ homes) community. I could be wrong, but I suspect our HOA manager is becoming a little over zealous, but have no rule to cite which would prove him wrong. For example, he is insisting that irrigation "standpipes" be screened by shrubs and that fences be erected around back-up generators but there were no such rules in place when most of the homes were built and nothing concerning standpipes or generator fences was included in the Property Owners Handbooks. These rules have been updated on the community website (not everyone has internet access or knows how to use the internet), but again, the rules were only recently enacted and the handbooks have never been updated. So the question is simply this ... is there a "rule" or a "law" (can you cite a rule number?) which says an HOA cannot enact rules retroactively? I'm just trying to keep the HOA "honest" and want to prevent them from getting into legal trouble. Thanks for any assistance!
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What legal trouble? Your HOA rules are created by the owners for the owners. Sounds like these are just aesthetic changes and mean little to nothing. No one is getting fined because they don't do this are they? It's just one of those nice things that if it happens then that's nice. He is the one who would have to provide the rule if it's decided something is in violation and would be fined.

I don't see an issue here except a person who thinks that covering up some mechanical type items may make the HOA look better. It's not enforcing but a suggestion. Your HOA would have to have a fining schedule to be able to actually enforce any of these rules anyways.

Former HOA President
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Forget about handbooks as they have no legal value. What do your CC&R's say on these subjects?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Bill,

Welcome to the forum. In addition to any language contained in your governing documents, the adoption of rules must also comply with VA law § 55-513 (part of the Property Owners Association Act.

Per that law [emphasis added]:

"Rules and regulations may be adopted by resolution and shall be reasonably published or distributed throughout the development"

The key word being reasonable. Unfortunately, the law does not define what is considered reasonable. Therefore, until someone challenges that language in a court of law or until the legislatures amend the act to define "reasonable" each board may use their best judgement. In my Association, we not only publish new resolutions on the web site but mail a copy to each member and paraphrase it in our newsletter. Your Association may consider the website to be reasonable enough for publication.

BTW, per that same statute, any resolution adopted by the board may be abolished or amended by the membership by the majority of votes cast. Therefore, if you disagree with the rules you may solicit signatures to call a special meeting of the membership to vote on abolishing those rules.

As for retroactively applying a rule, I have discovered through my research that grandfathering is not automatic. If the rule does not specifically provide a grandfather clause (or a grandfather clause does not exist in your governing documents) then everyone would need to be in compliance. The only grandfathering in an Association covered by the VPOAA is located within § 55-509.7 which specifies that once the sale of a home is finalized, the Association is bound by any statements made in a disclosure package. However, even if you did recently purchase your property, the new rules you mention about screening and landscaping wouldn't be covered under that clause.

You need to remember that the property manager works for the Board. Therefore, it's possible that the Board is directing the property manager to enforce these new rules. I would suggest contacting the board for the following:

1) Inform your Board of your concern that publishing the new rules only on the website may not be considered reasonable as the Association can't be sure everyone is aware of the change. Then suggest that they not enforce the new rules until the rules are at least mentioned in the Association newsletter or (better yet) a copy of the new rule has been mailed or delivered to each member.

2) Suggest a grace period before enforcing the rules on fences/screening and/or landscape changes as this will require additional costs a member might not immediately have and requests to add the screening may require prior approval from the Association (check your documents).

3) Request a copy of the property managers contract.

I recommended that you request a copy of the contract because some MC or PM contracts allow the MC/PM to receive a portion of any fines assessed to members for violations. When this is in a contract, the MC/PM is more motivated to seek out violations because it's an additional revenue stream for them.

Hope this helps,

Tim

BillP16 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Forgive my ignorance ... I'm merely an engineer on a safety committee and I'm totally unfamiliar with all of the "legal issues".

The bottom line is simply this ... if 20 homeowners built their homes in the year 2000 and their handbooks contain nothing in the design standards about plantings around standpipes or fences around generators, CAN THE HOA FORCE THESE HOMEOWNERS TO COMPLY with the new rules?????

Thanks so much for helping a "newbie" !!!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bill

Would you care to pay attention to what people that are trying to help you, are saying?

Yes the HOA can force people to comply to some things, but not all things.

HOA's can enforce their documents (Covenants, Bylaws, Rules and Regulations) but "some informational handbook/extract, etc." based on such, is not worth the paper it is written on.

Now if the "handbook" is a copy of the above documents then that is another issue.

Thus your question of can the "handbook" be enforced cannot properly be answered without clarification of what the "handbook" really is,no matter how you ask the question.

Do you want a wro answer or the right answer?

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By BillP16 on 08/22/2012 2:13 PM

The bottom line is simply this ... if 20 homeowners built their homes in the year 2000 and their handbooks contain nothing in the design standards about plantings around standpipes or fences around generators, CAN THE HOA FORCE THESE HOMEOWNERS TO COMPLY with the new rules?????

Bill,

I'm also an engineer and don't fully understand all the legal issues involved with an HOA (but I'm learning). However, it's those legal issues that are required to be understood to answer your question.

Bottom line answer - Possibly!

It depends if the rule was properly adopted and published. For sake of discussion lets say it was. Now we need to see if the rule is in conflict with your CC&Rs, Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws or State laws and County Codes. I can't answer that question as I don't have access to your documents.

If the rule is in conflict then the rule is unenforceable. If there is no conflict, then the rule is enforceable.

As an example: County codes may require obscured access to the standpipes. If they do, then there is a conflict and, since the County code must be complied with - the HOA rule is unenforceable. You would need to check your county code

BillP16 (Virginia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
First of all, let me apologize to those who think I may be ignorant .... forgive me since I'm very literal when it comes to affairs such as this.

Nothing is in conflict with country codes at all. These are strictly HOA rules which apply to the development only. Upon purchase of their homes, each resident is presented with a "Property Owner Handbook" which lays out declaration of covenants, restrictions, rights, affirmative obligations & conditions as well as the bylaws if the Association. Finally there is a huge section which covers "Design Standards". It's the design standards which outline everything about dwellings, additions, fences, colors, land design, setbacks, mail boxes, play equipment, etc., etc, etc. The books have NEVER been updated since the first one was distributed.

And it's the design standards which are being brought into question by several homeowners. There were no design standards for generator fencing or irrigation standpipes when those homeowners purchased their homes and received their handbooks. Those standards were adopted last year. The HOA manager is trying to get those homeowners to comply with the "NEW" standards.

That's what I mean by "going retroactive". Someone from another committee told me that the HOA cannot enforce a standard retroactively, but I can't find a reliable source to tell me if this is right or wrong. I need a statute to cite or someone to tell me specifically why it is true or untrue.

I greatly appreciate everyone's patience as I work through this very confusing but very educational process!

Thanks a million!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By BillP16 on 08/22/2012 6:36 PM

That's what I mean by "going retroactive". Someone from another committee told me that the HOA cannot enforce a standard retroactively, but I can't find a reliable source to tell me if this is right or wrong. I need a statute to cite or someone to tell me specifically why it is true or untrue.

I am not an attorney and I do not work within the legal profession. I am offering an opinion based on the information you provided, personal experiences, research and (hopefully) some common sense.

Based on my above statement, the rules requiring screening for generators and irrigation pipes is enforceable.

As I wrote in my first post, there is no automatic grandfathering. Grandfathering must be mentioned in the rule, within your governing documents or withing the law to be applicable. A grandfather clause would protect people who were already in the situation where as new people would have to go with the new rule. Since you have not provided any language within your rule that would offer grandfathering, I can only expect that none exists. therefore, the rule is enforceable on everyone.

Many people believe that grandfathering is automatic (I did until I researched the issue over 6 years ago). I believe that they think this is true due to various civic classes as most Federal and State laws contain some sort of grandfathering. However, some laws (ADA act for example) do not.

I'm glad to see that you are asking for documentation supporting the opinion. If the following links aren't enough for you, perhaps you can go back to the person who said the rule was grandfathered and have them provide a statute.

Here are some links about grandfather clauses:

Grandfather Clause Law & Legal Definition by USLegal.com
Nolo's Plain-English Law Dictionary
Legal Dictionary by thefreedictionary.com

As I suggested earlier, you may want to approach the Board to allow time before enforcing the rule. Additionally, per VA law cited earlier in this thread, the membership may amend the rule to allow grandfathering if the Board doesn't want to include it.

Hope this helps,

Tim

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