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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
We are single family, standalone patio homes and the HOA does all outside landscaping and maintainance.

We are starting to get a plethora of planters (big clay type pots) people are setting against the sides of their garage fronts, along walkways, along driveways, etc. We have not had any formal complaints but we have had some verabal complaints like one house is starting to look like a jungle out front. We are trying to be prepared as I know our Chief Complaining Officer (CCO) is getting ready to write a letter thus making it formal.

Each home has a small front porch where many have planters, hanging plants, seating, etc. The front porches are not the issue.

Also each home has a smallish backyard (20x30ft, or less) that is surrounded by a 6ft privacy fence. The HOA does not maintain the backyards and one pretty much can do as they please in the backyard like garden, dry clothes, etc. so one does have some freedom here.

My thinking is allow planter pots on the front sides of the garage door (single garages), on front porches (as now allowed) only.

Suggestions please.

Thanks

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
John,

I have seen restrictions on the use of planters. Some restrict their locations, their number (total) and number per location, and the style and/or color. Some do not allow clay pots but do allow other types of planter such as urns. Some restrict to no more than two on a porch, one on either side of a garage, etc. I have also see restrictions on the size (diameter or "footprint") and height.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Are they in fact against the current CC&R's? If they are the BOD doesn't need a formal complaint to start to deal with the issue. If they are being placed on Common Elements then the Board should start to enforce the violation, however you should be willing to work with the H/O's, maybe allow them until the current growing season is over. You should also be proactive in a newsletter stating where such things are allowed.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
FYI

Even though the HOA does the landscaping, the lots are deeded so not common ground.

We have no issues with plants on the front porch/patio same as we do not restrict type and amount of furniture. Of course no one has put out any used couches, car seats, etc.....yet.

Being in the south, most stuff grows year round so no "growing" season.

Covenants are very clear no one can "plant" anything in the ground without approval and we have not had any issues on that, but nothing in the docs about planters.

It is not our intention to make all things be identical but also we would be foolish to allow anything goes.

Please keep the ideas and thoughts coming.

Thanks.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Covenants are very clear no one can "plant" anything in the ground without approval and we have not had any issues on that, but nothing in the docs about planters.

Then maybe it's time there were. Since no one can "plant" is there language about yard decorations? i.e. Pink Flamingos, mirror balls or any of the other tacky crap (purely a subjective view point I realize, some people have to like them or they wouldn't exist) people stick in their yard.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
John,

My Association considers planters as a decorative object and/or landscape change. Both of these things require prior approval.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
My HOA had no rules regarding yard, landscaping, or planters. My wife started a small raised garden and had numerous pots on our porch and driveway. The HOA felt that was considered "rubbish."

I guess it is all subjective. They lacked authority in the absence of one rule so they interpretted another rule to accomplish their goals.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By GlenL on 08/18/2012 1:17 PM
Covenants are very clear no one can "plant" anything in the ground without approval and we have not had any issues on that, but nothing in the docs about planters.

Then maybe it's time there were. Since no one can "plant" is there language about yard decorations? i.e. Pink Flamingos, mirror balls or any of the other tacky crap (purely a subjective view point I realize, some people have to like them or they wouldn't exist) people stick in their yard.

Glen

We have the "decoration" issued covered as in nothing allowed. So far no issues.

One person has a mirror ball on their front porch but we have been keeping our hands off front porches. Understand these front porches are no more then 4x10ft, poured concrete, level to the ground, no railings but some do have columns. I have a small table and two chairs (bistro set?) plus two hanging plants. That pretty well takes up all the room.

Like most docs, we have the typical "must fit the community standard" so we do have a method of controlling things yet we are not a controlling type place.

As an example, I have no issues with planters on either side of the garage front. I think we need to control them somehow but I am not sure how. One idea might be size, ceramic and or clay but not wooden, how tall what can grow in them, etc. Again, keeping it somewhat loose as in the colors, style not dictated.

Thanks all. This is helping. Please keep the ideas/suggestions coming.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I'm trying to visualize your front areas to think about your question, so that we all have a sense of scale & proportion, which might matter a lot.

If they are all roughly the same: How wide are the driveways? How long are they? Are they asphalt? Concrete? Or?

Do the walkways go from the driveways to the front porches? Or from the street to the front porches? How wide are they? How long are they? Are they poured concrete? Brick? Or?

Are the fronts of the home some kind of decorative stone? Or?

I agree that you do want some specifications about pot material(s) permitted; color(s); footprint size; height of planters & plants (we have pots here that hold 12 foot high trees). I'd think you certainly want to specify that dead/dying plants must be removed. That if artificial plants/flowers are permitted, they must be removed when they fade, i.e., no longer look "real." (Some folks like them as they don't require hand watering.)

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
We have a similar set up with our porches and backyards. So I understand your situation. My suggestion is to allow these planters but ONLY on the concrete. They can't be in the grassy areas. So they can keep them on their driveways and porches. The corners may not have concrete but maybe allow them at the corners of garages.

The reasoning and excuse is lawncare. It makes it difficult for lawncare to weed whack around these objects. It doesn't look good to put round up around them to maintain the grass growth either. So putting the reason on protecting the planters from lawncare tools/workers may resolve your issue.

Knowing your driveways may not be big enough to accommodate planters on concrete and cars, may force a few to remove those. That would be the biggest complaint I see with requiring planters to be on concrete. Good luck! Atleast they aren't trying to plant plastic flowers....LOL

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
All

Our homes are standalone patio homes. All are red brick fronts. Sides, back and front peaks (if any) are vinyl. All have a two car wide, concrete driveway with none deeper then two cars. Not all have garages and those that do, single garage only. We have about 9 models.

All front porches have bushes planted between them and their front lawn or driveway but not all homes have a front porch. Some have just a concrete entry path from the driveway.

Good idea on no planters on grassy areas. One of the best ideas yet. Has not been an issue here but also a good restriction. Makes sense, sets some control, and will not upset folks. The more I think about this (on concrete only) the more this makes sense. Easy to understand and a good control guideline.

Also good idea on size and type of planters one can have beside their garage fronts and they would all be on concrete, not grass.

Also good idea on height of plants and replacement. Covenants do say no artificial plants.

The more I look at some of the homes, one restriction would be no planters forward of the garage front and/or porch front. Do not want planters lining the driveways. I have to look at this some more

My initial thoughts on the actual planters are clay or ceramic or similiar looking (meaning plastic ones OK) but no wooden ones. No color limits. No more then X inches high. Circular shaped and no more then X inches around. Planter and plant height combined not to exceed X inches high.

Please evaluate and comment on my initial thoughts.

These ideas are great and really helpful.

Thanks and keep them coming.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Oh, John, when you wrote no decorative items on the grass, I assumed that included planter pots, but no harm in repeating it.

I agree that with plain concrete double-wide driveways, planter pots alongside the garage doors could be a really nice improvement. And, echoing them, planter pots on each side of the beginning of the walkway might be attractive. But what about the driveways that lead to no garages. Doesn't the space where the driveway butts up to the wall of the home seem kinda barren? Could those be permitted to have more planters than the ones with garages?

I'd also think that the homes where the walkway goes directly to the front door would cry out for a planter pot on each side of the front door. And perhaps another pair echoing the front door ones where the driveway meets the walkway to the home.

Without being able to see your community, and still not knowing the length of your driveways and walkways, it seems to me that permitting a planter pot only on either side of a garage door is overly restrictive.

You and/or other directors might want to cruise other communities and see what works aesthetically, perhaps drive through a community developed by your developer if available.

When you write something, you may want to go ahead and say something like front porch furniture must be designed for outdoor use, be clean and in good repair. We have a rule like that for the balconies of our high rise condos. This could ward off the old sofas going on the porch in the future.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
In communities that I have lived in, no planters, pots, statues, or other decorative items (including holiday decorations) were allowed on lawns (because of mowing). Such items were restricted to porches, walkways, driveways, or mulched planting beds.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Did I mention rain barrells? That's another issue that may fall into your planter rules. These are typically kept under a gutter run off. Since most are kept at the corners of the homes, it can be another sticky situation. I think rain barrells should be accepted but the owners must maintain them properly. However, they may fall into grassy area. May just need to make arrangements to keep the weeds down around by having gravel down.


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