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SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
In January, our BOD sent out an information sheet on our swimming pool with the Board's argument for closing it permanently. We included a ballot so homeowners can vote on the issue and a stamped, self addressed envelope so they could return it. Out of 145 units we received about 20 responses.

Then, we ran two areticles in the next two issues of our newsletter, asking (again) for people to vote and a summary of the information sheet explaining the pros and cons of closing it, along with another ballot (people could drop it in the clubhouse mailbox or return it to our property manager.)

As I write this, we've received about 47 votes, which isn't enough to close the pool (we need at least 117 or 75% of the homeonwers) so during last night's meeting, the Board decided to do a door to toor/phone call/email campaign to get people to vote. We hope they will vote to close, but as long as they vote one way or another, I'm ok with that. We have to call and email some of these folks because many of them live off site (some out of state)

In case you're wondering, our CCRs currently prohibit delinquent homeowners from voting in Board elections, serving on the board or using amenities like the pool, but everything else is fair game. The CCRs also state if the pool's been closed for two consecutive years, homeowners must vote to reopen it or close it permanently. We recommended permanent closure because the area is now in need of repairs we really can't afford, given the rest of the community's needs and - the delinquent fees (if people had paid like they were supposed to, we might have had something to relieve the heatwave this summer!)

Many of you have talked about assorted door to door campaigns to get CCRs passed and board members booted out, so I was wondering if you had any general tips on how to approach people - starting the conversation, how many times we should approach them before moving on, and such. I'm perticluarly concerned about responding to the homeowners who (1) want to spend more time ranting about what the Board isn't doing and the fees being "too high" and (2) the delinquent homeowners who may yap about the Board being unfair in suing them. Thanks in advance!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Last time I went door to door, it was generally a good response. I actually learned things by taking the time to listen to those people who wanted to complain, etc. Consider it part of the process and be willing to listen.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
I agree with Tim. People are touched by the fact that a real person is taking the time to speak with them and I predict you'll get your ballots. However, if someone is busy and can't talk at that moment, nail down a time when they will be available.
Jeanne
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
My suggestion.. If your going door to door then have a kind of "Script". Meaning a statement that is neither for or against the pool closure but simply states the rules regarding that decision. This way when approached it's not open opinion. Simply state that the rules are that we need x amount of votes to decide to open or close the pool. This is an attempt to get your vote and/or opinion if you agree with this.

I had an issue with my HOA and they went around telling different stories and lies to get what they want. After the dust settled, people came up to me and told me all the lies they were told. Seems each board member had a different story to tell to get their way. Once they got their way, people caught on that it wasn't what they even wanted. So be careful about the opinion thing and concentrate on the rights for that person to make a decision/vote.

I am against ever closing a pool. It's a sales tool for your community. People who want to buy homes like the idea of a pool being available that they have little amount of care to provide to it. Better to chip in a small amount to take care of the pool than to keep and install one in your own yard. Owners who want to sell their homes may find it easier to sell with the pool option. It's a catch 22 situation but one that in the long run is worth keeping open than closed. Even closed, you have maintenance issues. You can't drain the water out as it will collapse the pool and cause more headaches...

Former HOA President
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Thanks, everyone! One of our board members also suggested using some sort of script (she’s secretary, so I’ve suggested she come up with one!)

I’m not so concerned with people saying things like “well why the board isn’t doing something about X?” when we talk to them, but I want to make sure we can get to everyone without being bogged down in a discussion over something that (1) we might not be able to address until the next board meeting, and/or (2) needs to be reported to our property manager. It’s one thing if they did that and nothing was done (we need to know about that to investigate), but some homeowners don’t think to even call – and complain that nothing’s being done!

As for the delinquent homeowners, I wanted a nice way to to avoid the “if you stop suing me, I’ll vote to close the pool,” but now that I think about it, I doubt that’ll happen (in some situations, some don’t care if the place crashes and burns!) And it should be relatively easy to say “I’m sorry; we really can’t discuss individual situations, especially since your account is with the attorney, so all contact has to go through him or her).

Melissa, you're right that having a pool can be a great sales tool, but unfortunately between our delinquencies (well over 30% at this point, despite our taking every action we can think of), other community needs (we’re a 40 year old community and it’s beginning to show its age), and underfunded reserves (partly because of the delinquencies!), we just can’t afford it anymore. This is the Midwest and we’d usually get about 4 months use out of it anyway (Memorial Day – Labor Day was the schedule). As hot as it’s been, you’d think more people would have asked about the pool, but no one has. Personally, I don’t think it’s missed and since less than 5% of the residents used the thing before we closed it in 2009, I’d rather fill it up and create some sort of outdoor entertainment area that more people can use and be cheaper to maintain.

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I hope your not suing your deliquent owners. You should be placing liens or pursuing the foreclosure process. Suing gets a judgement but not guaranteed money. The person can simply sell and move away without paying a dime. Lawsuit judgements have to be renewed every 7 years or so to keep pursuing. Who is going to remember 7 years from now ro renew the judgement?

A lien may take more time but it accumulates. Plus lawyer fees are added on. The person can not sell the house until it is paid off. Just make sure to have a proper policy on when you lien. We liened at 6 months behind. That way people could make arrangements oe we know they were not going to pay.

Foreclosures are extreme measures. It just stops the bleeding and NOT a profit maker. Plus HOA does NOT want to own the home. It's not something to do after the bank forecloses.

Just letting you know as it sounds like your real problem and NOT the pool.

Former HOA President
AnthonyD11 (Colorado)
Posts: 13
Posted:
Doing door to door campaign is not at all easy; you should have ability to listen anything good as well as bad. And you should have a perfect knowledge about product as your presenting that product face to face.

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