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PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
prior to levying fines for violations, must a community have an established fine structure that was forwarded to all homeowners?
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Yes. And the ability to fine at all must be in your governing documents.
Jeanne
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Fines can not be excessive and need to fit into your state laws. This would be in the area of "Loan sharking" if you were to look this up. States don't allow for excessive fines levied or interest on loans. The HOA documents can't exceed this amount. If this went to court, they would reduce the fines/interest down to the legal amount anyways.

Fines can NOT be used for the basis of liens or foreclosures in most states. It is for unpaid assessments plus late fees that can be. So if someone doesn't pay their levied fines, then the HOA can't really put this in a lien form or foreclose. Fines work more like speeding tickets and are considered punitive measures. Thus the reason they can't be part of a lien or foreclosure proceedings. However, it tends to be people who refuse to pay their dues out of protest of the fines, that one then can indeed place a lien on the home for the unpaid dues. So it can be a catch 22 situation.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Pat,

Not only do they need an established fine structure, have it authorized within the governing documents (or State law) but the Association needs to have a process of appealing the fine (i.e. a right of due process) where they can question and face their accuser.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Just where do we come up with a requirment for "due process"?

This is not a criminal matter simply the enforcement of property rules.

We have never required the person reporting a violaton to appear and subject themselves to questioning by the person cited for violating the rules. As the Board or HOA is citing the offending party I would see no reason to produce or allow anyone else to be required to make the accusations against the offending party.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Viz. Jon's reply. Also in CA, the actual or "first" accuser, a neighbor, let's say, is not required to face the alleged violator IF the violation has been corroborated by the HOA via the Board, the MC, security personnel, etc.

We, on our Board, would not call to hearing anyone whose violation has not been corroborated.

But, also in CA, there's a due process procedure that must be followed.

So, Pat, it depends on your own governing docs and also your state's laws.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JonD1 on 08/12/2012 10:05 AM

Just where do we come up with a requirement for "due process"?

John,

I'm basing this on what our Association has and the advice from our attorney that said due process was required.

Perhaps our legal advice was based on VA law that specifies "Before any such charges or suspension may be imposed, the member shall be given an opportunity to be heard and to be represented by counsel before the board of directors or other tribunal specified in the documents."
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Oops. Sorry I intended to type Jon not John.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
As someone who has been at the other end of the fine process, we were denied due process and that meant that we weren't able to face the person making the accusations. Because it was stated who was making the accusations, that means that we could not ask for certain board directors to recuse themselves.

Further, due process, the right to face your accuser is the basis for civil and criminal law. If someone is making accusations, how can you in the best case scenario work it out?

For instance, there was a complaint that our dogs barked. But when we challenged, we were given no specifics and no one could prove or disprove that it was our dogs who did the barking. Further there was no way to improve the situation since the CC&R allow dogs, you have to expect some barking. The complaint didn't make it clear that the barking could be defined as nuisance barking.

That wasn't actually what our hearing was about and the small claims court judge overturned our kangaroo court board. We were threatened with fines a couple of times and the court case was based upon a hearing in which the board hoped to profit (meaning we would pay more than what the supposed damages cost to fix).
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
pat, they must have an established structure and process, but it needs not to have been "forwarded" to all homeowners. It should be in the by-laws, rules/regs, or perhaps CC&R's.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Arizona law requires the citation letter to specify who filed the complaint. There is no facing the accuser, but you do have a right to know who it was. Therefore our board requires all complaints to be in writing and signed. There must be a hearing before a fine can be assessed. An unpaid fine cannot be collected even at close of escrow unless it was first taken to Superior Court and a judge was convinced to direct a judgement. You can then use that judgement to file a lien (which can be collected at close of escrow) but a lien based on a fine cannot be used to foreclose. Of course you can use other legal means to collect on the judgment. The key is to convince a judge your fine is reasonable and justified.
Nor can you apply assessment dues when paid to any outstanding fine, or other charges. Any payments must first be applied to the current assessment. Otherwise, diverting assessment payments to fines, etc would make the assessment delinquent and liable to foreclosure.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
I agree with Jon.

I believe when the BOD receives a complaint
they should investigate it and if found to exist, then the BOD in the one that does whatever, letters of warning, fines, etc.

JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnC46 on 08/13/2012 5:24 AM
I agree with Jon.

I believe when the BOD receives a complaint
they should investigate it and if found to exist, then the BOD in the one that does whatever, letters of warning, fines, etc.


Actually, quite a simple process. Someone reports a violation the Board or MC confirms the violation and then THEY submit the violation for action.

IMO that is part of the Board's duties to enforce rules and regs. And in many cases we have residents who report violations that would rather not be involved. Say the 80 year old who is worried about her tires being flat when the kids next door violate the rules.

IF the Baord or MC is unable to confirm the violation for themsleves then they should not issue a violation.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS on 08/12/2012 9:45 PM
Arizona law requires the citation letter to specify who filed the complaint. There is no facing the accuser, but you do have a right to know who it was. Therefore our board requires all complaints to be in writing and signed. There must be a hearing before a fine can be assessed. An unpaid fine cannot be collected even at close of escrow unless it was first taken to Superior Court and a judge was convinced to direct a judgement. You can then use that judgement to file a lien (which can be collected at close of escrow) but a lien based on a fine cannot be used to foreclose. Of course you can use other legal means to collect on the judgment. The key is to convince a judge your fine is reasonable and justified.
Nor can you apply assessment dues when paid to any outstanding fine, or other charges. Any payments must first be applied to the current assessment. Otherwise, diverting assessment payments to fines, etc would make the assessment delinquent and liable to foreclosure.

Harold,

The statutes that you refer to require an HOA to follow certain administrative procedures if it wishes to enforce its rules against a member.

If the HOA fines a member for a violation and he pays the fine, the process ends.

If the member does not pay, it is then up to the HOA to pursue the matter through the courts. The HOA must prove to the satisfaction of the court that it has the authority to make rules, that the member violated the rules, that the HOA followed the administrative procedures when it fined the member, and that the fine was reasonable.

This is consistent with the general legal practice of placing the burden of proof on the party making the accusations and in direct contrast to the practice of making the accused prove his innocence.

Going into court raises the ante for both parties. Since the prevailing party will recover his costs and reasonable attorney fees, the loser will pay through the nose. This will likely cut down the number of frivolous claims and defenses.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Larry - Isn't that basically what I said? To your requirements for the HOA to convince the judge, I would also add the need to prove they are enforcing ALL the "rules" unilaterally.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By PatW9 on 08/12/2012 6:25 AM
prior to levying fines for violations, must a community have an established fine structure that was forwarded to all homeowners?

Yes. All homeowners should be provided written notice of the Rules and Regulations on Enforcement of Covenants which should include the fine schedule. Plus, the ability to fine must be stated in the Covenants; the owner must be notified in writing and given a reasonable amount of time to cure the violation; and the violator should be given the opportunity for to request a Hearing if they so desire before levying a fine.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By HaroldS on 08/14/2012 2:00 PM
Larry - Isn't that basically what I said? To your requirements for the HOA to convince the judge, I would also add the need to prove they are enforcing ALL the "rules" unilaterally.

I assume you meant uniformly.

That might be a defense raised by the homeowner but would not normally be an element that the HOA would need to prove. It's like trying to defend yourself against a speeding ticket by claiming that others were going faster than you were.

Under the Business Judgment Rule, the HOA can decide which violations to pursue and which to ignore. Unless there is a clear abuse of discretion, the courts will not usually interfere in the association's decisions. There may be a point at which violations of a rule are so widespread that the rule is no longer enforceable, but I have yet to find a case that clearly defines when that occurs. I know of at least one Arizona case where the court ruled that 20% of the homes violating a rule was not a high enough percentage to be deemed a waiver of the rule.

BTW, the Superior Court would have original jurisdiction only if the amount of the fines exceeds ten thousand dollars. Anything under that amount would have to be pursued in the Justice Courts and an officer of the association could represent the HOA, instead of an attorney.
PatW9 (South Carolina)
Posts: 8
Posted:
thank you all for posting your replies. i'm sure the selective enfrocement of the covenants will prove to be the downfall of any hoa board
JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
Our legal documents do not provide for fines to be collected for Restriction or Rules infractions. We developed complaint forms to be submitted to the ACC when someone has a complaint about a neighbor violating the Restrictions. The ACC hears and decides the case but there is an allowable appeal to the Board. The question of course is remedies. For instance, what if the homeowner refuses to move his boat from his driveway? Since we can't fine, we have to go to court, get an order or judgment and sue the violator. Thus far, most residents do not test the waters and we have managed to settle grievances peacefully. However, you can provide for a mediation/arbitration procedure in your bylaws to avoid court costs, etc.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Another option is for the HOA to remove the violation at their cost and send the bill to the owner. If they do not pay, then the HOA can LIEN for the amount owed. This is stronger than a lawsuit and cheaper. Lawsuits should be avoided by a HOA. However, counter suits are better option for the HOA. It is cheaper to counter sue and can be for any counter issue.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jean

While I say never say never, most Covenants do allow for fining but few spell the fine amounts out. Read the docs closer. I would be surprised if they did not allow for fines. Look closely at General Provisions and Enforcment.

It is a function of the BOD to set a fine schedule and procedure. It is critical they do so before fining anyone for anything.

Some states have usuary laws prohibiting charging more then a certian amount of interest but this usually applies for late charges on dues/assessments. Rarely applies to fine amounts.

Hope this helps.
BabetteM (Hawaii)
Posts: 12
Posted:
We are in a similar situation, where our governing docs do not allow us to fine for violations. The CC&Rs do allow the Association to enter onto a property to abate a violation and charge all fees to the property owner, which we have done in the case of overgrown grass/weeds. However, we can't realistically remove someone's junk car or illegal shed. Our CC&Rs, under "Remedies" merely state that the Association "may proceed at law or in equity to prevent occurrence or continuation of any violation of any provision of this Declaration".

We're trying to figure out how we can get the few stubborn violators to comply without filing a (costly) lawsuit. It seems that there are some owners who just thumb their noses at us when we try to get compliance of the CC&Rs that they agreed to when they purchased their property.

Just wondering if anyone ever managed to come up with some sort of creative way to issue fines when the CC&Rs don't specific allow. Is there a way to write the Bylaws to allow fines? Could we somehow call this a "special assessment" that applies to individual properties on a case-by-case basis?
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Does the state of HI allow HOAs to fine? If so, it seems to me that you can amend your CC&Rs.

If you have any amenities worth suspending and ways to keep violators from using those amenities, that's another possibility.
BabetteM (Hawaii)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Thanks, but amending our CC&Rs is not a realistic option. We have trouble getting a quorum of ballots returned for our Board elections every year, and there's no way we can get the two-thirds vote necessary to amend the CC&Rs.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bab

Saying something is not allowed versus not referencing it are two very different issues. Unless your docs specifically say you cannot fine, I expect there could be an interpertation of them that says you can fine. If so do with Rules and Regulations, not document changes.

Hope this helps.

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