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DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
ISSUE: Sharon lives in a Unit with Jack but they are NOT married and her name is NOT on the deed. So in fact than what is she legally? a Tenant there? She gets all the use of the facilities, pool, trash, events, parking, etc, etc and have been for years. She tried to be on the Master Board but was thrown off when someone found out she did not own a unit.
She wanted to be on the Section 6 Board but wasn't an owner. Sooooooo

the story goes: The Board who were her friends put together a Advisory Committee and made her Chairwoman. Over the years the rest of the commitee has broken up but Sharon as remained as Chairwoman. Under this so called title she has been running our condo association with access to all the books, reports, monies, checks, you name it since noone else actually knows how to run the place since it is self managed. Her group of followers look at her like she is a God since she holds all the Power to all the paperwork, records, contacts, how to run the place & nonone on the Board cannot do anything without her input. If they don't do what she says, she simply withholds what they need to run the place or solve an issue.

We voted out the old Board & a new one was put in. The people that got in were the ones that Sharon suggested to be voted in. She even took control of the voting process. 3 Presidents resigned & I was forced/asked to resign after I becoming an acting President & wouldn't listen to Sharon. The old President just bought a Villa for $97,000 Cash...Hello!
And the sale was reported to Pasco Cty as $67,000 on the books. We know he paid $97,000. and he buys this a month after the people throw him off the Board.

Is there anyway to stop a Teanant from running an Condo Association?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It sounds like you have an issue with this person. Don't get why mentioning the property sale. One could put $0K down on a house and report it sold for 67K as the loan amount. would that not make sense?

Anyways, majority rules in a HOA. That does not always equal the larger # of owners/members. It is the participation and intersted members that run a HOA. Owner apathy is the number 1 reason those in charge are the ones in charge. A HOA is managed by it's members for it's members. If the members are okay with this person running things then that is what happens.

Former HOA President
JayP3 (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:

"Is there anyway to stop a Teanant from running an Condo Association?"

What type of Fla Assn. are you? Condo, HOA, POA, Trailer, etc.

In all the [Fl] docs. I have seen there were no requirements for Committee members to be assn. members (owners).

In fact my current docs, say this in part about the ARC committee:
"...may be composed of three (3) or more representatives appointed by the Board".

Notice there is no mention of the representatives having to be owners.

So unless your docs. preclude then I would say... YES, a Tenant can be a Chairman of an Association Committee.

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"Under this so called title [Chairman] she has been running our condo association with access to all the books, reports, monies, checks, you name it since noone else actually knows how to run the place since it is self managed."

Furthermore, what the BOD or other directing body allows a committee or "chairman" to do, or not to do, would also be found in your docs.

So if your docs. are 'silent' on these points then the BOD does not appear to be abusing its authority. Ultimately they (BOD) are the responsible officers or directors.

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The financial issues your raised are not of the HOAs concern. Try to avoid such gossip.

JayP3 (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:

"Is there anyway to stop a Teanant from running an Condo Association?"

What type of Fla Assn. are you? Condo, HOA, POA, Trailer, etc.

In all the [Fl] docs. I have seen there were no requirements for Committee members to be assn. members (owners).

In fact my current docs, say this in part about the ARC committee:
"...may be composed of three (3) or more representatives appointed by the Board".

Notice there is no mention of the representatives having to be owners.

So unless your docs. preclude then I would say... YES, a Tenant can be a Chairman of an Association Committee.

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"Under this so called title [Chairman] she has been running our condo association with access to all the books, reports, monies, checks, you name it since noone else actually knows how to run the place since it is self managed."

Furthermore, what the BOD or other directing body allows a committee or "chairman" to do, or not to do, would also be found in your docs.

So if your docs. are 'silent' on these points then the BOD does not appear to be abusing its authority. Ultimately they (BOD) are the responsible officers or directors.

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The financial issues your raised are not of the HOAs concern. Try to avoid such gossip.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

We voted out the old Board & a new one was put in.

You didn't like the way the old board was running things and voted them out.
Then you elected a new board. Good. this is the process that should be used.

Were you part of the recall committee or just a member following the lead of others?

Quote:
Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

The people that got in were the ones that Sharon suggested to be voted in.

You didn't ask who they were?

This may have been part of the issue with the old board, the members were unaware of who they were voting in.

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Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

She even took control of the voting process.

Someone needed to preside at the meeting and be the election official.

Did you volunteer to help or count votes?

Ideally, the Board who was being recalled should have ran the meeting. However, this doesn't always happen, and the recall committee runs the meeting.

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Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

3 Presidents resigned & I was forced/asked to resign after I becoming an acting President & wouldn't listen to Sharon.

Are you now off the board or still on it?

Did you resign your seat as a Director or just as an Officer (they are two different things)?

Quote:
Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

The old President just bought a Villa for $97,000 Cash...Hello! And the sale was reported to Pasco Cty as $67,000 on the books. We know he paid $97,000. and he buys this a month after the people throw him off the Board.

If you suspect misuse of Association funds, an audit should be done (this can cost a lot (10K plus) but will be worth it).
Once you have proof of misuse of funds, make a report to the attorney general.

If you have proof (i.e. paper documentation) of a different sale amount, report it to the county.

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Posted By DorisW on 08/11/2012 6:50 PM

Is there anyway to stop a Teanant from running an Condo Association?

Your best chance to stop this was when you (and the others who resigned) were on the Board.
This is because majority vote wins. The Board could have passed a resolution to bring to the membership for a vote to amend the bylaws stipulating all Directors must be members of the Association (i.e. owners).

Unfortunately, per your post, everyone resigned. Therefore, the only other recourse is to go through the recall process again or wait and vote them out at the next election.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Doris,

I went back and reread your older threads:

Subject: NEED HELP PLEASE!
Subject: Requirements for calling a Special Meeting.
Subject: Can the President Disband a Committee?
Subject: If President Resigns
Subject: Acting president Powers
Subject: No Way to Stop Here!
Subject: Committing a crime selling condos

It seems like all of this has been brought up before. I also misread your initial post in this thread and mistakenly thought Sharon was on the Board vs. a committee.

As was indicated in other posts - members of a committee serve at the pleasure of the Board.
A majority vote of the Board will remove individuals serving on a committee.
If you resigned from the board, then you have no vote on who serves on the committee.

As a member, you could start a petition to amend the bylaws to establish "qualifications" for those who serve on the board or a committee. The qualification would be that:
only members or may serve (eliminates anyone not on a deed but also minimizes the pool of potential volunteers).
OR
only members and their immediate family members of adult age may serve (now you need to define immediate family)
OR
only members and their spouse may serve (define spouse and/or expect issues from groups for discriminating against significant others)
OR
only members, their spouse or significant others may serve (oops sounds like Sharon would be eligible)

As you can see, there are always pros and cons when drafting qualifications.
You will have to determine which is best for your Association and then start the process of amending the documents.

Tim

AnnJ1 (Florida)
Posts: 122
Posted:
Hi Doris!

The Florida statutes (Chapter 718) are specific as to the composition of a committee...... see definitions...

(7) “Committee” means a group of board members, unit owners, or board members and unit owners appointed by the board or a member of the board to make recommendations to the board regarding the proposed annual budget or to take action on behalf of the board.

HTH,
Ann

DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I agree Ann but she is NOT a unit owner. The Board who were her friends at the time when she could NOT become President made up this Committee so SHE had another way to run the place. There is a Treasurer on the Board who can't even read a balance sheet & was voted on by her recommendation. I also was orginally put on the Board as her puppet until I saw as Vice President than acting President I had NO CONTROL of anything.

Just wish we could find a way to get rid of this person. Member's believe without her & we go to a management company we will all be hit with high assessments but the truth is she & her former Board President have been stealing from us for years.

A billing manager in a Doctor's office my sister works for that has been there for 25+ years that all the Doctors in the group trusted
and totally believed in like the people in our assocation, she was the only person that could get the job done & bring in their money was just fired for stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars. Go figure. And she was like part of their family!
AlexM1 (Oklahoma)
Posts: 287
Posted:
No.... the new ruling is that a board member MUST be chairperson of any formed committee.
DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Alex does that include Florida?
When did this NEW RULING take effect?

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Doris, please only take into account statutes in your state, which is not OK.

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