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KarenG7 (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
At our annual meeting last August I was asked to do the minutes. I recorded them as I always did years ago and come home and within a week I type them out and they are ready to go (Only using recording to clear up anything for my use). I got a letter this week requesting my recordings, notes, videos to be "returned to the association". The following question is because the President hates me (because I have caught improper, deceptive practices. She even illegally had me removed from the Board. So I have no problem and want to provide my typed out minutes (which is in my history ...only written typed. Will that suffice or must I give her my recording and any notes?
She is constantly trying to find a way to ome after me in a very mean driven way.
Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
If you were recording information for the Association, then the recording belongs to the Association and should be in the custody of the Association Secretary as part of the Association records.

Personally, if it were me, I'd copy everything I had before I turned them over.
KarenG7 (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Thank you for your reply. So should I just give them the tapes? Even though I can supply a typed record and I purchased the tapes as my aids?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Yes.
They should also reimburse you for the cost of the tape.

Again, I would make a copy for your personal records.
KarenG7 (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
I will do that. But this is a year later. Just wondering why my written record is not just? As always in the past? Say I had wanted to use the tape again.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If it is your tape, then you do not have to give it to them or you can request the $1 to replace it, your choice. If it is the HOA's tape then return it, but I too would make a copy of it. If you've typed up the minutes and they were approved, what use do expect to get from the tape now?

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KarenG7 (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
I do not want to be a pest. Final question and comment. (on this subject) This is for the annual meeting that will be next Saturday. Thus minutes have not yet been approved. She sent me a letter regular mail just a couple of days ago and demanded that I have seven days to turn things over.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Karen again if it is the HOA's tape it is their property and you should return it. As far as her "demand" goes, I suppose again if it is the HOA's tape she could accuse you of theft, of course since it has been a year the tape might have mysteriously disappeared or have been accidentally reused.

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EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
KarenG7,

Were you asked to take the Minutes at the Meeting or was it pre-arranged prior to the meeting? Were you also asked to tape record the meeting? Have other meetings been taped in the past?

You wrote that you are no longer a Director. Where you a Director when you recorded the Minutes? If not, I would think it is your personal tape.

I do not know of a source (but perhaps someone else does) that says “notes” taken, which are then used as the basis for “writing the Minutes” are anything more than that – just notes taken by the person tasked with writing the Minutes. And likewise, the tape recording was just backup “notes” in case you forget to jot something down, and/or to make sure you got “a name” correct.

Since you wrote “as you did years ago”, I assume you are experienced and know “what” goes in the minutes and what does not.

Have your unapproved Minutes been circulated so that the Members can read them prior to the upcoming meeting?

If it were me, I would ask your President, by return written letter, “where does it say” - what document, Board Procedure, etc, and the exact words - that specify that the meeting Recorder of the Annual Membership meeting, has seven days to turn over any notes, tapes, etc, upon request of the President.

And unless that requirement exists, I would not even consider turning a copy of your notes or tapes over, until after the “written” Minutes were approved by the membership at the upcoming meeting.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By KarenG7 on 08/11/2012 1:42 PM
I do not want to be a pest. Final question and comment. (on this subject) This is for the annual meeting that will be next Saturday. Thus minutes have not yet been approved. She sent me a letter regular mail just a couple of days ago and demanded that I have seven days to turn things over.

Seven days or what? As I understand it your recording was something you made with your own equipment at your own expense as an aid to make accurate minutes. Unless the board requested you to make the tape at their expense, they have no right to it. Ignore her.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
She should not receive your "notes." We (directors) would never ask our PM for her notes that she uses to compose the meeting minutes

With Larry & Ellie, I don't believe you need to turn over the tape to her. I Wouldn't! She doesn't have the authority to demand that.
KarenG7 (Texas)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Thank you so much for thoughtful answers. No Ellie, no one has seen the minutes. I was asked when I arrived at the meeting to take them. I had my own machine and own tapes there also. Probably within a week I wrote the minutes up and saved them in preperation of when they would be needed (a year later). I think you are right also to challenge, " where is that seven day mandate to turn over my things?".
And Larry and Carol I so appreciate those words to boost my confidence. I think my minutes are good and I plan to give those but I just don't like her roughing me up. I have challenged her rigging of the books (credit in the hundreds to a couple of members who have never paid a cent) and using our money for parties when she is not taking care of the facilities just to fill you in as to why she is coming after me.
Thank you so much. Right now I plan to send her my minutes but I bet she will have me on the agenda for doing something wrong. We have a very poor scrappy subdivision so most people don't bother.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Karen

Just give her everything in one big bag and say bye to her.

Be done with her.

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