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JoyceD1 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hello,
This is my first post, deep breath, here goes w/background info:
I am the Treasurer for a very small HOA (only 22 lots) in CO. We have a volunteer Board and ARC committee, and like a lot of communities, have struggled thru a few years of several lots in foreclosure and arrearages in Dues and Liens. We have made a lot of progress over the last 2 years in "formalizing" a lot of the things that the Board is required to do like dues collections and ARC enforcement. One owner in particular that bought a foreclosed home 2.5 yrs ago has been very problematic from even before closing on the property: saying he was going to do anything he wanted and the HOA didn't enforce anything anyway(not true). Has been a long road to get him to put in some landscaping/grass and then keep weeds mowed & some semblance of maintenance, he also had multiple vehicles stored on his property and was boasting about another 6 or so he was going to bring in from out of state- we all have 1 acre lots and his weeds were up to 4 ft. tall in places......as treasurer I worked with the ARC person in sending him Violation notices of the landscape peice which eventually had fines attached - he had told ARC "go ahead and Lien my house" because he didn't want to comply w/landscape install. At the annual meeting this year, we all voted on Covenant amendments one of which included a limit to the number of vehicles allowed parked outside (limit of 2, with 1 additional work related vehicle). Of course he was not happy, altho he has complied w/that.

So this person is also our next door neighbor (oh boy). 6 weeks ago, he called the local sheriff dept and accused my husband of shooting a BB gun at various places on his house and truck (hubby is a hunter but doesn't own a BB gun, everything is large caliber and anyway, would NEVER do that - it's something teen punks do). We happened to be in garage and watched this the whole time, & of course when deputy came over to ask about it, our answer is NO. Had to even look up what that is called (vandalism). SO report labeled it as "cold vandalism". I did tell the deputy the owner had a burr under his saddle against the HOA and I was a Board member. Then, 3 days ago, ANOTHER sheriff deputy, this time the deputy said "he wasn't accussing us or filing charges" but the rear view outside mirror of his girlfriend's vehicle was shot out and since it was parked in his driveway with the mirror facing our property, we must have done it. (REALLY??????) The second deputy told me before I even had a chance to say, that "the HOA stuff is civil and she has nothing to do w/that", so I know he was complaining about HOA stuff to her. But that logic fits his mentality......

I think this is "false reporting" and false accusations, and most likely harrassment - I haven't included lots of little details because this would become a book - but I think this is his way of causing trouble and I'm the most convenient/close target. A lot of other owners have complained about his property/actions/antisocial & almost paranoid behavior and the Board is trying to enforce the Covenants as we are required to do....

I would appreciate any advice on what are the best options and methods to defend myself/husband from this? I have already begun to advise other Board members on what is happening. We only have 15 homes out of 22 built, so word spreads fast. I'm not a quitter, but confrontations suck(excuse the lang), am willing to stand up to a bully tho.

Thanks to anyone who has taken time to read this, and for advice.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Harrassment is based on the perception of the individual being harrassed.

Either way, this is a neighbor vs neighbor issue and not an HOA issue. The Association should not become involved in it.

I would advise the following:

1) If you feel threatened, contact the police.
2) Consult an attorney about what is needed to request a restraining order (if you think this will stop him).
3) If possible, talk to the individual and explain that HOA business is different from being neighbors and you would like to be good neighbors. Explain that you are one vote and decisions are made by a majority vote of the Board. Invite him to attend the Board meeting to see how it works or to voice concerns. Suggest that he might want to submit his name to the nominating committee and, if elected, be part of the decision process.
4) If not possible, you are still neighbors and will likely have to deal with each other for many years. Therefore, you need to try and make peace or live in an uncomfortable situation. Perhaps you can offer to set up cameras and try to identify the vandal who is responsible. Perhaps start a neighborhood watch. etc. etc.

Hope this helps,

Tim
JoyceD1 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks Tim for a response.

I'm not sure I agree that this is just a neighbor to neighbor issue, because why is he bringing up HOA stuff to a law enforcement officer if he is really concerned we are shooting at his property or vehicles on it, even with a BB gun - To us, shooting any weapon is a SERIOUS thing and a serious accusation, I think any responsible hunter or gun owner believes that. There is also a suspicion that it was him who called sheriff on another neighbor (again, another false report, dealing with theft). Unconfirmed as of now.

To protect ourselves personally tho, and in hopes of descalating this, we are going to install security cameras to monitor our property that borders his (yes, I read some of the threads on security cameras to get a feel for that) - then if he continues what I will call false reports, we can say, "gee, let's see what the cameras have recorded, maybe we can help you out catching a (real) bad guy".

Have also started a written record of events in case needed, for either the Board or personally. Last resort will be a letter from our own attorney (not HOA yet) for cease and desist, from what I've read on some threads may be most effective.

Another observation: the owners that bought the foreclosed properties seem to have a different attitude towards the HOA than the owners that built here or bought as a regular real estate transaction. The best way I can think of to describe it is: they seem to want something for nothing, and are suspicious of HOA motives. We've had one drainage issue that was difficult to deal with but I believe is finally resolved. It's like they come in with a chip on their shoulder. One set of owners now actually sit on the ARC and also the Board, which I hope will continue to generate involvement and an attitude of "what's best for our neighborhood", but I see some struggles with that.

No one gets why he bought in this neighborhood, as Covenants are signed at closing - his comment on that is "no one told him any of that". yea right.

anyway, thanks for your time!
joyce

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Joyce,

I, too, would recommend installing video cameras. This is your best defense against his accusations that you are vandalizing his property. Someone else may be responsible or he may even be doing it himself. If he is as abrasive as you describe him he likely has many enemies.

BTW, there is virtually nothing you can do to prevent him from calling the sheriff and complaining about you. If your video cameras record him shooting out his own windows, the sheriff can get your neighbor on a charge of filing false reports.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
So what he brings up HOA business to the cops? The cops don't care. they just have to listen to it until they get to the meat of the issue. It is NOT a HOA matter and don't let him hide behind that. Which is what he is doing. The police can't do anything about HOA rules and the HOA can't enforce theirs. This is an individual situation.

Fines can not be used as basis for liens or foreclosure in most states. So the HOA IF they have a fining schedule set up can keep trying to fine but good luck in having them pay. If they are not paying their dues then the HOA can lien or foreclose.

I would just ignore his claims and just let the police take his reports. You are not guilty and can prove it. It is "cold vandalism" after all. So just keep in your lane and out his...If he gets aggressive then call the police.

Former HOA President
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,061
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JoyceD1 on 08/05/2012 7:42 PM

I'm not sure I agree that this is just a neighbor to neighbor issue, because why is he bringing up HOA stuff to
a law enforcement officer

Joyce, my Association recently had a member contact the police claiming the Association was harrassing him to fix his fence (needed to hammer a picket back into place). The police just told him that the Association has a right to do what they are doing. He then contacted an attorney who told him the same thing. He then showed up at a board meeting and compared the Board and Architectural committee to the governing power in Germany during WWII. Claimed elder abuse, financial hardship, had a dying relative and lots of other excuses I don't remember.

Even though the underlying issue might be related to Association business, the issue of him complaining you are vandalizing his property is not Association Business. It's a police issue. So let him continue to contact the police. After awhile they will get tired of it and lay down the law to them.

Installing cameras to protect yourself is a good idea. As this is a design change (unless the cameras are pointing out the windows from inside your home) don't forget to get permission before installing them.

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Posted By JoyceD1 on 08/05/2012 7:42 PM

Another observation: the owners that bought the foreclosed properties seem to have a different attitude towards the HOA than the owners that built here or bought as a regular real estate transaction. The best way I can think of to describe it is: they seem to want something for nothing, and are suspicious of HOA motives. We've had one drainage issue that was difficult to deal with but I believe is finally resolved. It's like they come in with a chip on their shoulder. One set of owners now actually sit on the ARC and also the Board, which I hope will continue to generate involvement and an attitude of "what's best for our neighborhood", but I see some struggles with that.

It's human nature not wanting to be told what to do. It's the American Spirit that a person is King or Queen of their own castle and they can do what they want. HOAs, which really only administer the contract the homeowners entered into, are the target that goes against what we have been taught in school - that in America we can do what we want unless it impacts someone else.

If it's the individuals first HOA, there is a long learning curve. The best way I found to counteract this is to be as transparent as possible and publish articles in the newsletter on how Associations work.

Tim
JoyceD1 (Colorado)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Tim, thank you for your observations about human nature. It often takes me by surprise when people act not rationally, like the "neighbor" LOL. And yes, from the kind replies here and other advice we are getting, I am seeing how this is a personal and not HOA issue: so actually we can better respond to the situation than if I have to wear the HOA hat. Still mystifies me why people buy something (a property in HOA) and then don't want to comply w/rules and claim exemption. Sorta like buying a stick shift then *itching that it's not an automatic transmission, and blaming someone else for having to shift. hahaha

The ideal of publishing how an HOA works in the newsletter is good. We have a very informal one that the (new) secretary does each quarter, so maybe we can include.

Thanks Melissa for terming it "hiding behind" an HOA issue, that's exactly what he's doing. It's personally upsetting to us tho to see a deputy on the doorstep - I think between hubby & me, we have one photo radar ticket (my bad) in our 30+ years of marriage, guess we're heading down the road to being criminals. haha again!

Video camera system on it's way, our Covenants do not have a restriction against them altho I will check w/ARC.

I appreciate this forum, I have learned a lot just reading, and even more now from this post. Thanks to all.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Joyce

If you need to get permission for a video camera, do not, I repeat, do not mention the issues with the next door neighbor.

You are simply installing the camera's to observe your own property.

Now if one is seeing more of some other property as it got accidntly moved by the wind, that is another issue.

Hope this helps.
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
Another vote for video cameras. I would have one (or more) aimed squarely in the direction of the offending neighbor's property, as well. Should he accuse you of something again, you'll have proof.

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