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Waivers and variance to CC&Rs may be granted by the Architectural Committee - Anyone ever see this type of langauge before?

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
All,

My wife and I are in the process of looking for a retirement home. As part of my search, I am requesting to have a copy of the governing documents prior to signing any papers (most have complied). Tonight, I ran across this language that allows the Architectural Committee (ACC) to grant waivers/variances to the CC&Rs. This is the first time I've seen such language and am curious if anyone else has seen it before (or have it in their documents). I see it as a HUGE potential problem for the Association. Thoughts? Comments?

See attached word document for the language used.
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MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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ACC are complicated. There are some HOA's that only have ACC rules. Some do not have an ACC. The ACC in most HOA's I know exist like an subset to the HOA board. They are almost equal with the board but separate at the same time. Having their own subset of rules. As it is volunteer and not elected positions to be on an ACC, it becomes almost it's own entity. If there is not any volunteers for an ACC, then those responsibities are forfeited to the Board. Which also is responsible for final ACC rulings if in conflict.

Now that is convaluently explained...I can see that an ACC can issue variances from the CC&R's. I had to do this once as President. It is rare. However, I had to give a variance go a room in a house. a unique design feature in some homes was an indoor garden like area. It was internal in the home. Could not see it from outside but was outside. The external wall covered it. So one could have a garden in the house basically. One of the owners wanted to make this into a dining room instead by closing it up. CC&R's are silent on this but it did effect the home's footprint/footage. Approval had to be given even though no rule for or against. Same with when owners wanted to close in a garage. They had to keep their garage doors on the outside of the home. That too was one of those gray areas of CC&R's variances.

I think having this language does give more flexibilty to a HOA. Maybe too much but it really depends on the HOA.

Former HOA President
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

My first read is that it is basically allowing out buildings (sheds, detached garages, etc.) which must match the existing home and will be allowed at the discretion of the ACC.

Upon rereading, I do not like the use of the word dwelling as Webster defines a dwelling as "a house for human occupation".

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
After reading it over and over again, I really think that it's a passage intended for the builder to allow things in order to make the sale (want an 8 ft fence vs. 6 ft., shed, enclose a patio, etc.).

However the language plainly gives the ACC full authority to disregard the CC&Rs at their whim by granting variances (any variance) for some but not all. If this language (or just that first sentence) is left in the document when it's turned over to the membership it could allow selective enforcement, favoritism, etc.

The rest of the section, which I didn't include, goes on to say all decisions of the ACC are final and binding with no appeal or procedure to alter the ACC decision except through the courts.

It just gives a little too much freedom to the ACC (who are appointed by the Board) vs being required to follow the guidelines.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

Are you saying the declarant is still in control? If so, all bets are off as the declarant can do as they desire.

That said, the stand alone home HOA I live in is declarant controlled but over 70% of the homes were built/sold (80 of 113) before I bought. There was no room for expansion so no surprise new sections, the declarant was financially sound, the place was maintained well, there were annual financial statements, CC&R's and Bylaws are filed with the deeds, etc. All this gave me a pretty high confidence level as to what would happen. We will be having a smooth transition from the declarant to the owners within the next 6 months.

In a large complex development such as a Sun City development, The Villages, etc. it is possible for the declarant to be in control for many, many years to come. This might not be a bad thing if they keep things as expected versus, allow anything to sell a home, go broke, new declarant, add unplanned on sections, change the rules, etc.

Hope this helps.

EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
TimB,

The language you are asking about – what State? Virginia or another State?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Ellie,

This is in Texas
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
John,

Yes the developer is still in control and I understand they can do as they wish. My concern would be if this passage failed to change before membership took control as it can open the door to many issues.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
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Posted By TimB4 on 08/04/2012 5:02 PM
John,

Yes the developer is still in control and I understand they can do as they wish. My concern would be if this passage failed to change before membership took control as it can open the door to many issues.

I agree and personally I would (as I have said) be more scared of the wording "dwelling" then anything else and as such, I would probably pass on the place. I would not pass on the area if it interested me, but I would pass on this association.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

People are asking what state and while the rules/laws can be quite different, I ask: "Would one be willing to go (retire) into a situation where even if they are right, they have a fight on their hands from the get go"? Not me.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
How does one get on the ACC? Since their opinion is final, it appears that they do not answer to either the BOD or the members as neither of those groups can override an ACC decision.

On one hand, a committe that can override the CC&R's would be helpful in situations where a particular lot makes compliance with the restrictions difficult. On the other hand, the potential for abuse hangs heavy. Suppose they have a grudge against you and insist that your house is the wrong color. You spend a fortune to repaint and then the board says the new color is also wrong. This would go on until you go bankrupt, you sell, or you sue.

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