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StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
If a board member in Florida under statute 720 (HOA) takes a bribe and breaks the law under statute 617.034, how do you enforce the law.
Who would investigate and prosecute the board member for accepting a bribe for his or her personal benifit.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
What law did they actually break? HOA law or real world law? If it's HOA law, then look at your CC&R's to see how to handle the situation. There is a line between HOA rules and actual State/Local laws. Don't mix the two up.

Former HOA President
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Stephen can you be more specific. Most of people that respond to your forum are not from Florida so what do the 2 statutes refer to? How do you know this board member did this? Was there money involved? How much? Check your by-laws as it should have information on how to vote this board member out, but, make sure you are absolutely correct in the accusation.
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The situation is concerning a bribe taken by one of the homeowner board member to obtain his vote for HOA money to be turn over to the builder of $335,000 from the HOA Capital Improvement Fund for replacement of a clubhouse roof in exchange for the builder buying his house from him. The HOA has been turned over to the homeowners. There are three (3) board members, two for the homeowners and one for the the builder.
The bribe is all documented in county records.

The clubhouse is under construction and should be completed by the end of this year.
The other homeowner board member resigned over it, in the beginning they both were opposed to given them the money then all of a sudden the one board member changed his mind so abruptly.

The second homeowner board member that resigned I didn't know that the builder bribe the other board member to get his vote and purchase his house that is up on Lake County public records.. He was just mad that he changed his mind so quickly. At the time there was a lawsuit filed by the HOA against the builder over this matter and another matter and the board member that they purchased his house dropped the suit against the builder and he then resigned.

In Florida the statute that this would pertain to is 617.034, below.

617.0834 Officers and directors of certain corporations and associations not for profit; immunity from civil liability.—
(1) An officer or director of a nonprofit organization recognized under s. 501(c)(3) or s. 501(c)(4) or s. 501(c)(6) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, or of an agricultural or a horticultural organization recognized under s. 501(c)(5), of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended, is not personally liable for monetary damages to any person for any statement, vote, decision, or failure to take an action, regarding organizational management or policy by an officer or director, unless:
(a) The officer or director breached or failed to perform his or her duties as an officer or director; and

(b) The officer’s or director’s breach of, or failure to perform, his or her duties constitutes:
1. A violation of the criminal law, unless the officer or director had reasonable cause to believe his or her conduct was lawful or had no reasonable cause to believe his or her conduct was unlawful. A judgment or other final adjudication against an officer or director in any criminal proceeding for violation of the criminal law estops that officer or director from contesting the fact that his or her breach, or failure to perform, constitutes a violation of the criminal law, but does not estop the officer or director from establishing that he or she had reasonable cause to believe that his or her conduct was lawful or had no reasonable cause to believe that his or her conduct was unlawful;

2. A transaction from which the officer or director derived an improper personal benefit, directly or indirectly; or

3. Recklessness or an act or omission that was committed in bad faith or with malicious purpose or in a manner exhibiting wanton and willful disregard of human rights, safety, or property.

(2) For the purposes of this section, the term:
(a) “Recklessness” means the acting, or omission to act, in conscious disregard of a risk:
1. Known, or so obvious that it should have been known, to the officer or director; and

2. Known to the officer or director, or so obvious that it should have been known, to be so great as to make it highly probable that harm would follow from such action or omission.

(b) “Director” means a person who serves as a director, trustee, or member of the governing board of an organization.

(c) “Officer” means a person who serves as an officer without compensation except reimbursement for actual expenses incurred or to be incurred.

History.—s. 54, ch. 90-179; s. 92, ch. 97-102; s. 33, ch. 2009-205.

My question is there an agency or place or person that I can go to have this investigated and take the proper action.
Thanking You In Advance,
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Stephen thank you for the information. I know in NC there is no agency, however, we can go to the State Secretary. You could possible start there and get more information. You said there was an HOA lawsuit, what happened with it? Has it been settled? Was this the one that was dropped?
Because of the amount of money involved I think you need to get back with an attorney and let them handle this for the Assn. They have the resources and knowledge. This is a doosie! Good luck.
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thanks for the information.

The current law suit is in regards to enforcement of a precious agreed mediation with the HOA & the Builder and myself a homeowner. I won in the first mediation.
The second suit is for enforcement of the first mediation. The HOA & Builder violated the agreed to first mediation. The first mediation was court ordered and resulted in a agreed settlement court order signed by the Judge.

For what ever reason they feel that they don't have to follow the court order agreement. I am confident that we will prevail in the enforcement suit. We have agreed to go into mediation again per their request. In Florida the law states that we are not required to go into mediation for the
enforcement of a precious agreed mediation, but we agreed we will per their request.

My comment is in Florida even thought board members breaks the law and this applies to any board members that volunteer's, they will not and can not be prosecuted. If anyone is reading this and you are from Florida and you know of a way that if a board member break the law such as taking a bribe and receive something of personal benefit how can they be investigated and prosecuted.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
From my experience no agency in Florida governs HOAs. It used to be the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR) but they had their authority stripped from them by the legislature.

I had contacted the AG about an issue but they directed me to the DBPR. The DBPR told me to find a lawyer and take it to the courts.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
I believe the board members can be held personally liable is if they act outside of their capacity of a board member, and in your case, they took a bribe and sold their personal property to vote a particular way. I would think that you might have a case but I would consult a lawyer experienced with this kind of matter.

IMO, I would not have gone through mediation and instead continued with a lawsuit. You won mediation the first time and they needed to abide by it. It seems they were unhappy with the results and wanted a do-over. Now by agreeing to mediation again, I would think there is a risk that either they win or them erasing any liability the individuals may have had. If bribery is not beneath them, who knows what else they will do in their second mediation.
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I am aware of that, no one seems to care about board members stealing money from the HOA, I have check a few places. This is the reason I am putting this post up here to make sure that I am not missing something. I just can't believe that board members can steal money from the HOA and get away with it without being prosecuted for breaking the law.
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Tell me about it. It seems they can do whatever they want and get away with it as long as nobody ponies up the cash to fight it in court, and who has that kind of money?!!

I had a situation where the HOA was threatening legal action against non-members for not paying them. Their lawyer admitted to another association that what they were doing was a "legal gray area" but that didn't stop them from trying to enforce their rules. They wound up losing in court.

I say take them to court. This is your community so if they are willing to break the law for personal gain, who knows what they will do with your community (and its money) in the future? Your neighbors should be outraged as well.

Just keep up holding their feet to the fire. It may make you unpopular but at least you are doing the right thing.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
Stephen - Maybe a judge and jury will. Unfortunately it cost the Assn money and time. It's a rude awaking I know. I hope you work on getting different Board members and more Board members that are responsible people, at least 5. I would like to know why the Builder is a Board member if he turned the Assn over to the homeowners. I do feel for you in your frustration. Nancy
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
The homeowners are outraged over the whole situation.

I have been on a few boards before and also president of one. I know it may be unpopular but I am concern about doing the right thing. I have never seen anything like this before, I can't believe that people can be so evil. People like this makes it look bad for the many board members that are doing a great job.

Our community is one of the ones where the first builder went under and this is the second builder, they purchase it from the bank that held the loans from the first builder.

Thanks for everyone's comments I appreciate it. There is no doubt in my mind we will win in court for enforcement of the first mediation, court order. I just don't think they should be allowed to get away with their illegal actions.
NancyG3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 342
Posted:
" I can't believe that people can be so evil. People like this makes it look bad for the many board members that are doing a great job."

I agree 100%. It amazes me too that people can be so evil. Good luck. Nancy

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am confused..If the board member sold their home then they are no longer a HOA member. Do they own a second property/home? If the owners are in control then the builder should be considered just another member of the HOA and not have special voting/position rights. Must have gotten elected to be on board. did you all not modify your docs when took over? This would have eliminated the two voting system when builder was in charge. Just asking as confused....

Former HOA President
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
It is a little confusing when you have the original builder go under and another builder takes over,
there was also a receiver involved. Because there was a turn over before the new builder came in their empty lots which represent about 65% of the remaining lots to build houses on. The builder has the same voting rights as the people that own houses that have purchase their house. They would control all voting on document changes.

However in this case the members do not vote on given the money from a reserve fund to the builder, the board members do. As I said before there were three people on the board, two homeowners and one from the builder. The HOA two homeowners had a suit against the builder for not given them the money
and at the last minute one of the homeowner board member changed his mind and went along with the builder. The other homeowner board member resigned the next day. While this was going on the homeowners had a recall going on the remove the board members.

After the other homeowner board member that disagreed with them resigned over this then there was only two board member left, one homeowner and one builder. Right after the other board member resigned the remaining two board members voted to redraw the suit gave them the money and the builder purchase his house. When this was all completed and he resigned off the board and moved out of the community.....

KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
How was the HOA able to conduct business without a full board?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kevin

As I see it the declarant was still in control even when the declarant changed and changed, and changed. The declarant can pretty much do as they wish include borrow money from their controlled association.

I doubt anything illegal was actually done. Questionable maybe, maybe not Kosher, border on illegal maybe, not in the best interest of the owners probably, etc. but I doubt "actually" illegal.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I still don't see it...The builder bought the board members home then he would have to resign and move. He would no longer be qualified as a HOA member. You don't own a home then your not a member. If the HOA is truly owner controlled, then the builder wouldn't be on the board unless elected. They don't automatically assume the board position if they buy a board members house. Something here doesn't ring accurate as an owner controlled HOA would no longer be connected to the builder/developer. Seems some rewriting of the CC&R's need to be done on that aspect.

You stated the clubhouse has not been finished yet. Was this not a builder requirement before it was turned over? Would this not be the very reason for the money to be given to the builder? If they have not finished everything, then this money should be going to finish the projects. That would be the clubhouse and any other amenities.

There just seems to be a disconnect here in information. It doesn't quite make sense to claim bribe if by the board member selling their home to a builder when that board member would automatically lose their right to vote or position. What benefit did they get or the builder? A sold home and a position on the board? Not too illegal sounding to me....

Former HOA President
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Further information, again the first builder went under and the second builder purchase the rest of the empty lots from the bank that held the mortgage from the first builder. Before the first builder went under they turned it over to the members everything including an incomplete clubhouse about 65 percent completed. One of the conditions for second builder was to complete the club house and paying for everything to get it completed. There should not be any cost to the current or future homeowners.
When the second builder purchase the property they will would have the same voting rights as the homeowners. There were three people on the board, this was in the documents and it also says in the conditions of purchase included that the homes would get two positions on the board and the builder would get one.
This brings us to the problem of one of the homeowners voted NO to give the HOA money to the builder. The next day this board member resigned because he was very upset with the first homeowner board member voted to give the money to the builder, however in the beginning they both voted not to give the money with the fist homeowner.board member.
This left two remaining board members one for the homeowners and one for thr builder. This homeowner board areeed to vote yes to give the the HOA money to the builder. The builder game the money and he then resigned and moved out after he got his money.

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