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LoriR1 (Delaware)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Okay... it is to my understanding that once you have an approved budget item, that is all you can spend for it - you are not allowed to take money from other allocated areas, right? Here is the problem... our community's budget approved for monument lighting at $1,500 - the estimate came back at $6,500 and they want to move forward. How is that possible because it was only approved at $1,500. I'm not only looking out for myself as a board member, but also as a homeowner. Anyone??
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Lori:

This is how we operate and maybe it isn't right. I look at the total budget of what we have and view that as the amount we can't go over. Obviously it is broken down into several categories and sometimes you can't help but go over because it is a necessary expense. The question then becomes, where does this extra money come from. Any bugdget should have a contingency. I guess my question to your board would be, how do they plan on balancing the budget given this category is $5,000 over. They may come back and say we are going to cut x, y and z and that will make up the money and to me that would be fine. If they look at you funny, then become worried!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Lori if I'm reading your post correctly - you do not currently have monument lighting the BOD guestimated $1,500.00 to install it but it will in fact cost $6,500.00. If the monument lighting is not currently in place in our Association this would be considered a capital improvement and we as a BOD are limited to a set limit we can spend on capital improvements without a homeowner vote. You might check your CC&R's for a similar clause.

Brad is correct on how to do it. This year we spent three times what was allocated for pool expenses and "paid" for it by spending less in other areas; just like you would do it with your home budget when faced with an unexpected expense.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By LoriR1 on 02/08/2007 2:34 PM

Okay... it is to my understanding that once you have an approved budget item, that is all you can spend for it - you are not allowed to take money from other allocated areas, right? Here is the problem... our community's budget approved for monument lighting at $1,500 - the estimate came back at $6,500 and they want to move forward. How is that possible because it was only approved at $1,500. I'm not only looking out for myself as a board member, but also as a homeowner. Anyone??


You probably should have gotten the estimate before you created the budget. That's a pretty serious difference in cost.

I think I would try to find a way to lower the cost or else put it off untill next year. If the rest of the board members want to go ahead with the project, you can vote "no".

Ron
SC
JoeW1 (New York)
Posts: 728
Posted:
LoriR1 - a board is allowed to shift money from one area to another within the budget for certain things. In this case, you have a capital improvement which is discretionary spending. what do your by-laws state, if anything on the dollar amount the board is able to budget for capital improvements? Also, get a couple more estimates, one is not sufficient.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Posted By LoriR1 on 02/08/2007 2:34 PM
it is to my understanding that once you have an approved budget item, that is all you can spend for it - you are not allowed to take money from other allocated areas, right? Here is the problem... our community's budget approved for monument lighting at $1,500 - the estimate came back at $6,500 and they want to move forward. How is that possible because it was only approved at $1,500.

This may depend on what your controlling documents state. Often they are silent on such matters in which case the Board is usually given the authority via the By-laws to make decisions on expenditures. A budget provides a financial framework of income and expenditures. It is not set in stone. For example if you have a personal budget for annual electricity expenditures, do you not pay the electric bill when you go over budget? No, you shift funds around.

Obviously whomever estimated the expense for monument lighting and the Board who approved the budget didn't know what they were doing. But if the members want the lighting and/or the extra amount will not drastically impair the annual budget I see no other problem with the expenditure.
DavidS3 (Maryland)
Posts: 37
Posted:
LoriR1

As Joe P says a Board is allowed to move money from one line item to another and unless the budget is very straightfoward and predictable they will generally be forced to do so during the course of a year. For example, our budget includes highly weather dependent services and placeholders for purchases that could not be fully priced at budget time. It also contains some prioritized discretionary items which could be defered if necessary. A contingency fund would accomplish the same thing.

That budget itself contains uncertainty does not mean that it should not be executed rigorously. Our GM, B&F Committee and Board all scrutinize spending requests carefully. If an unbudgeted expense is not time-critical (e.g., a delay would cost us a lot more later)it is defered until the next budget. If it is time critical we must identify what discetionary items will be deferred in order to pay for it. The same applies to a placeholder whose budget estimate is far too low.

With regard to capital improvemnts I believe that our State HOA Act requires a homeowner vote when the expense exceeds 10% of income.

JM2 (Oregon)
Posts: 439
Posted:
Hi Lori:

A few questions:
1) Does your HOA have any money left over from previous years, i.e. excess income over expenses? The board may choose to spend from that, although a lot of HOA's use it for a contingency fund.
2) Do your documents and/or state laws allow for borrowing from reserves? In Oregon, the law states that you can borrow from reserves but have to put it into a resolution of the board and include a repayment plan within a specified period of time.
3) Is the monument lighting of great importance, or something that can be delayed?
4) Does the monument area get a lot of sunshine? If so, you might be able to get some solar-powered floodlights (for example, I saw some for about $15 at our local Walgreens, although that's not where I would choose to shop for them. It might be a good stop-gap measure until next year's budget kicks in; in the meantime, you could save the balance of the budget line for spending next year.
5)Has the board considered a special assessment to cover the difference in cost?

Whatever you do, I would encourage your board to clearly put whatever expense they choose to use into its proper category, rather than to "hide" the expense in other categories. Good luck!

J. Patrick Moore, CMCA
Compliance Coordinator
Forest Heights Homeowners Association
Portland, Oregon
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By JM2 on 02/09/2007 8:43 AM

......... 4) Does the monument area get a lot of sunshine? If so, you might be able to get some solar-powered floodlights (for example, I saw some for about $15 at our local Walgreens .........


We have found that equipment installed in the common areas needs to be of a more "commercial" type to resist abuse (read vandalism). It only takes one or two people to wreck everything that's been done in the name of "fun". We are currently in the process of replacing some lighting with "vandal resistant" fixtures.


Ron
SC

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