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StefanieT (Oklahoma)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Hello,

We have a lagoon that is about 20 years old and in need of repair. 72% of our members owe a balance, 525 are less than $500 About 20% of our members owe over $500 in late dues. We ask $24 a month for dues to maintain the lagoon and for mowing. We have no ability to shut off members from use of the lagoon with their accounts in such arrears. We have sent them to a collection agency and the agency collected 10% of arrear money. What can we do to either cut off the sewer service, or find away to actually retreive this money... Any suggestions please!

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Either you have a huge population of deadbeats or your board is doing something wrong.

When I was on the board of my association we fired the management company mostly over the subject of billing. We paid our assessments annually and the management company would bill the current amount due but not show that there was a past-due balance from a previous year. The result was mass confusion among the owners, especially those who received a letter from our attorney demanding payment of a past-due amount that was not shown on their invoice.

Our management company also had a problem with posting payments. When I ran for election to the board, most of the candidates (including me) were told that we were not eligible due to unpaid assessments. It turned out that all of us were paid up but that the management company had posted our payments to the wrong accounts.

Start by sending each delinquent owner a complete statement of their account showing each charge that was made, each payment posted, and the balance due. Demand that small balances be paid immediately and offer to work with owners to pay off the larger balances. When all else fails, file a lawsuit to recover the amounts owed.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Stef

Are the lagoon fees in addition to normal dues? If so, are the lagoon fees optional?

I ask because 72% of owners behind on dues is outrageous. Typically association panics when 10% are behind.

StefanieT (Oklahoma)
Posts: 3
Posted:
We just took the board and revamped it. The neighborhood is a slightly below average income neighborhood. Now we are trying to fix all the things they haven't been taking place, of making sure people are paying. We can't seem to get some of the ones that owe over $1000 to pay, and we have no way outside of liens to get the money and right now everyones homes going to a foreclosure out this way.

It is the only reason outside of mowing that we have the dues. If they don't pay they should have to put in their own septic system I suppose.

We are looking for some ideas to motivate to pay. I do like the letters and sending it to people, I do appreciate that. Any other suggestions?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
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Posted By StefanieT on 07/29/2012 9:08 AM
What can we do to either cut off the sewer service, or find away to actually retreive this money...

I doubt you can legally cut off sewer service. It's a health issue. Most likely, if you try it, you will be out still more money when all is through.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Stef

We believe that after a few letters for the HOA, homeowners ignore them especially if there are no amenities to be taken away so we went searching for a better way.

We have had discussions with a law/collection firm that has a division that specializes homeoowner associations and unpaid dues. They use a multi step process to collect. To the best of my recollection it will go like this:

1. After 90 days late and in the next quarterly bill, the HOA sends notice reminding the owner they are 90 days late and asks for back and present dues or a payment schedule acceptable to the HOA within 30 days. No threat. Polite notice.

2. HOA writes a letter saying if back dues not paid or a payment schedule reached within 30 days, it will be turned over to a law/collection firm.

3. Law/collection firm sends a letter informing the homeowner that they have received the case and are prepared to file a lien and commence to foreclose unless owed dues are paid or a payment schedule is arranged with the HOA within 30 days. The firm charges the HOA $65.00 for this letter.

4. Law/collection firm sends a letter saying a lien has been filed and foreclosure has commenced. It will now cost the homeowner $495.00 (to the law firm) plus owed dues to the HOA to stop the process. No charge to the HOA.

5. Law/collection firm files some paperwork with the court about foreclosure and notifies the homeowner that foreclosure has begun and it will cost $995.00 (to the law firm) plus back dues to the HOA to stop the process.

The next step would be the HOA pays the law firm $400.00 and foreclosure commences. The process is completely stoppable at this point by the HOA and the HOA would still have a lien.

Hope this helps.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
John's recommendation is best. This is a legal collections matter and I'm sure there's a state law explaining what you need to do. Let professionals handle the cases and have dues payers deal EXCLUSIVELY with your collections attorney once a collection case is turned over to that attorney, including having the payments given to the lawyer who then pays the HOA.

Don't get board members involved in active collections. No good can come from it.

However, w/ 70% delinquencies, I'd consider waiving all late fees for all accounts (not dues) and notify all homeowners of the more aggressive policy, then move forward on all accounts with equal application of collections law. This would show the board recognizes a problem w/ itself and with the the community of non-payers.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
We took a different method.
For those members that were over 4-5 months late (some were 9+) we offered to waive all late charges provide they paid all past and the entire current year within x time frame (we gave them 60 days).

Failure to agree to the issue would result in all charges staying in place and the issue turned over to the attorney for additional collection actions. We reminded them that if this happened they would be responsible for the legal fees in addition to the late fees and assessment. Everyone we offered this to paid.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Tim,

Good idea. One of the problems with amateur-run boards is that they develop a belief that they can and will collect every last cent they feel is owed to the association. But that is not realistic.

The IRS is arguably the most powerful collection agency in this country. They can take all that you own and throw you in jail and even with the power to do that, they are still unable to collect all the unpaid taxes.

Why would any reasonable person expect an HOA to succeed where professionals fail? The reality is that no business or other enterprise is able to collect 100% of its debts 100% of the time. Collect what you can and be prepared to write off the rest.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Stefanie from the way your post is written, I have to ask are you a mandatory HOA, meaning every owner is automatically a member and must pay their assessments. Or are you a voluntary HOA where each member can choose whether or not to join and pay.

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StefanieT (Oklahoma)
Posts: 3
Posted:
It is mandatory. I just moved in the neighborhood last year and have found that there has basically not been a board for 5 years. We have a new board established trying now to address the issues, and I really appreciate all this advice, it is going to be very helpful! Also, We have had a collection agency after these people but the way it is set up with them, we pay $500 for them to have 25 accounts then we pay them $20 to mail out letters requesting money, we get all the money they get from those accounts after that the accounts may go to them for collecting and putting against their credit so we get no money. Some people are not paying because they been in the neighborhood for 20 years and the price doubled 5 years ago due to lack of funds for maintaining the aging lagoon and I guess they don't agree with the price change that was voted in on the majority of members attending.

Thank you guys for all the great advice! Now I think I can have some suggestions on a good action plan! Thank you!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
You might look into hiring an attorney who specializes in collections, that's what we do. All of his fees are added to what the HOA is owed, which means no out of pocket expenses for us.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
GlenL nailed it w/ his simple advice. Let the professionals protect the neighborhood's fiscal interests, which is the interest of every single property owner who chose to buy into your community.

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