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MikeS1
Posts: 521
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We have an absentee owner/investor who rents out their home in our community. Because he's too cheap to pay for his own trash services at his home that is about 4 miles from our community, he brings his trash and dumps it in front of the tenants home every week. Sometimes, it's like 12 big bags.

Our docs are clear about the recreation privileges transferring to the tenant. (IE pool privileges and parking), but the docs are silent of other privileges and there is no generic catch-all clause that might address this situation. Who would have thunk it?

The tenant is complaining because it's unsightly and they are having other legal issues with the owner, but I'm at a loss to see how this can be prevented. Yes, it probably only affects the Trash Vendor's bottom line, since we pay based on number of households; however, it's just not right (in my eyes).
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By MikeS1 on 07/26/2012 12:45 PM
We have an absentee owner/investor who rents out their home in our community. Because he's too cheap to pay for his own trash services at his home that is about 4 miles from our community, he brings his trash and dumps it in front of the tenants home every week. Sometimes, it's like 12 big bags.

Our docs are clear about the recreation privileges transferring to the tenant. (IE pool privileges and parking), but the docs are silent of other privileges and there is no generic catch-all clause that might address this situation. Who would have thunk it?

The tenant is complaining because it's unsightly and they are having other legal issues with the owner, but I'm at a loss to see how this can be prevented. Yes, it probably only affects the Trash Vendor's bottom line, since we pay based on number of households; however, it's just not right (in my eyes).

Just when you think you've heard everything. Maybe this guy steals toilet paper from work, too.

One option is to amend your CCRs or, if your CCRs allow you to enact certain rules, have the amendment and or a rule state that only those living in the residence may place trash curbside for pickup, with a fine structure (assuming you can levy fines) for any non-resident owner who deposits trash there. It won't fix the past and will take awhile to implement, but it should eventually fix the problem.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
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Thanks Bruce - Amending the CCRs requires 2/3 of owners to vote, but we have to make some other changes so, we'll pile this one on. So the guy is saving himself $70 per month. It takes all kinds. I thought about returning the trash bags to the rightful owner, but I'm usually all about taking the high road.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
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check your CCRs for the 'delegation of use' article .... you may get lucky with the wording
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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one could always notify the trash company of the abuse. A simple check of the contents (a la Alice's Restaurant) would likely show a lot of junk mail with an address outside the route.

Maybe the trash company doesn't like being scammed, and they would do something.

DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
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Brian could be onto something. I would also check with the contract for the trash removal to see if it says anything about residents/non-residents, or restricts who may put trash out.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
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John, Brian, David - Good points - Thanks very much.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
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Posted By MikeS1 on 07/26/2012 12:45 PM
The tenant is complaining ...

If the tenant doesn't like this, there may be something in their lease that prevents the owner form encroaching on the property. You may want to have the tenant go over the lease carefully and see if this behavior can be stopped without even getting the HOA involved.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Send the owner a letter similar to the following:

"The Board negotiated garbage collection based on the number of households in our association. We have become aware that you are bringing garbage from a home outside of our association for collection at the expense of the association.

"Because your actions jeopardize the contract between the garbage collection company and us by imposing a burden that neither party foresaw, we request that you either discontinue the practice of bringing garbage from household(s) outside the association or provide us evidence that the garbage collection company agrees to collect the additional garbage at no additional cost to the association."
MikeS1
Posts: 521
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Larry - Perfectamundo.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By LarryB13 on 07/27/2012 11:52 AM
Send the owner a letter similar to the following:

"The Board negotiated garbage collection based on the number of households in our association. We have become aware that you are bringing garbage from a home outside of our association for collection at the expense of the association.

"Because your actions jeopardize the contract between the garbage collection company and us by imposing a burden that neither party foresaw, we request that you either discontinue the practice of bringing garbage from household(s) outside the association or provide us evidence that the garbage collection company agrees to collect the additional garbage at no additional cost to the association."

I agree. A great first line of defense.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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In our community, all trash (except for a move-in period or special collection days) must be placed in a single container provided for that purpose. Our contract with the trash pick up company calls for one container of a specific size per week, plus a recycle container every other week. All of our containers are of the same size, one container per residence. Owners who require more than one container may place them curbside on trash pickup day, but they must contract separately with the trash collection company for the extra containers.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 07/28/2012 5:17 AM
In our community, all trash must be placed in a single container provided for that purpose...

Bruce,

Is this mandate for homeowners to use the one trash hauler written into your CC&Rs, or is it something that the board enacted on its own?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By LawrenceC1 on 07/28/2012 7:40 AM
Posted By BruceF1 on 07/28/2012 5:17 AM
In our community, all trash must be placed in a single container provided for that purpose...

Bruce,

Is this mandate for homeowners to use the one trash hauler written into your CC&Rs, or is it something that the board enacted on its own?

It's in the rules and regulations. Our trash collection contractor bills the HOA based on the number and size of trash containers) collected in the community. This is because the fees the contractor pays for trash removal are based on the size of the load (amount of trash). To keeps fees predictable and consistent, it's one trash container (the largest size) per unit. If any unit needs an additional container, they must pay the fee for that pickup themselves. No one ever has. Generally, if someone has too much in any one week, it is usually possible to get permission from a neighbor to use the unused space in their container.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
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Posted By BruceF1 on 07/28/2012 2:01 PM
It's in the rules and regulations...

Bruce,

I'm thinking this means that your board of directors set this policy, and it's not written into your CC&Rs.

We have been told by our lawyers that we can't do this without first modifying our Covenants, but I don't take everything that the lawyers say as the final word on a subject. After all, they are looking for billable hours spent making the modifications.

Then again, there may be differences between the law in Georgia and in Connecticut. These things are seldom clear and obvious.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Interesting and we learn as we go. Trash collection in our standalone homes, HOA is optional and paid for by the homeowner. Ours is $48.00 per quarter and the trash company provides one large, roll to the curb container, weekly pickup.

I will be asking several questions, again the learning experience:

1. How was this trash company chosen?

2. The agreement is vague on how much trash beyond the container will be picked up. Vague in that is does say additional will be picked if if placed by the curb so while not limited to the one container, it is still vague. This could require clarification.

While no issues yet, it is best to be prepared.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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The HOA should shift its deliberations towards to landlord as the tenant does not have an account with the HOA.

The trash collector is collecting garbage for one extra property than is contracted with the HOA - and the HOA board of directors is aware of this.

Therefore, the HOA board is obligated to inquire into the behavior's possible effect on the garbage contract, especially if it's creating excess collections that will be billed to the HOA separate from its "one trash container" billing.

Whether you check with the landlord or check with the garbage company is a decision of the board of directors. Other dues payers deserve peaceful enjoyment of contracted services. Minor breaches, when they arise, violate this basic premise. No HOA rule or regulation will trump the signed contract w/ the trash collector, who deserves your board's diligence as you demand they appear on a regular schedule.

This one seems easy to me if the HOA board has the guts to protect its interests. This landlord isn't acting with modesty and dumping waste at his investment property.

People forget our boards lead "homeowners' associations" and not "investment property owners' associations."

Protect your home.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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It's funny how different sides of the same coin look, back in June we had a poster who was upset with her HOA because she only wanted to drop an occasional bag of trash in the dumpster. She was the absentee landlord and why pay for trash removal at home when it was included in the fees of her rental property.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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During trying economic times, you can't blame people for dodging a bill that their "other" property pays. If you're hauling trash off one of your properties to another of your properties, you know what you're doing and what it means. If this HOA contracts were attached to people, it wouldn't matter. But, many contracts are on a per-property basis. Maybe the landlord can move in with his tenant and alleviate the problem!
MikeS1
Posts: 521
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Geln - Who would care if it was an occaisional bag of trash, but last week it was 12 large contractor bags. I think that the owner is building a house elsewhere and uses us in lieu of paying to go to the dump.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Mike, she said one but I doubt she posted the true number or I doubt the HOA would have said anything. I was going more for what people felt "entitled to", she like your homeowner felt it was their right. Heck we had someone who lived here who thought it was their right to fill the dumpsters with used carpet. They installed it for a living and thought it would be fine to drop it off at home rather than pay to dispose of it. That is until he got the bill for the extra dumps and yes our CC&R's allowed us to pass the cost on to him.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MikeS1
Posts: 521
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Yes, Glen - Contractors and Home Improvements. Carpet, Flooring, Refrigerators, Kitchen Cabinets, Stoves, Washers, Dryer. Our contract with our trash vendor specifies that the homeowner must call for special pickup at their expense. We're trying to educate the residents and remind them of this. The HOA should have have to subsidize the expense of remodeling your home. I agree. It's work in progress.

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