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DutchF (Maryland)
Posts: 2
Posted:
My question pertains to recourse for foreclosed properties which are now owned by the banks and are not being maintained. Let me elaborate. I live in Maryland where many of our properties have basements with sump pumps. When a house becomes empty, many time the power is shut off, which means the sump pumps will not run. Without the sump pumps, you now have a flooded house. A flooded house means mold. Mold means no one want s to buy the property so it continues to sit. Not to mention, it appears the banks have no interest in selling the property until the housing market recovers in an effort to recoup as much as possible without taking a loss.

So, we now have three empty house which are not listed, all flooded, and can't seem to determine which banks own them, not to mention, they probably won't care. We contacted the our county environmental control department going they would consider the homes a safety risk do to mold spurs and had no luck. Anyone have any suggestions/recommendations?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
YOu want the bad news or the really bad news? The HOA does NOT own these properties so they can NOT do anything with them. Yes, they are being ignored by the banks for the most part. Mostly due to the overload of foreclosed properties in existence. Eventually it is caught up with but can take several years. Just have to let the property and time take it's course.

However, if your HOA is like ours, we were responsible for lawncare of the common areas. That meant even though no dues were paid we still had to mow the yard. That is about as far as we could go as we did NOT own the home but responsible for the grass around it. It was just better to keep the yards looking good even though we couldn't touch the actual house.

We had a home abandoned for 10 years. It was like walking into a time warp into the place. It eventually sold to someone and it was damaged. However, once that property got picked up so did the dues for that property from that point on.

Former HOA President
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
Having someone on the board in our community who does title searches as a profession, has been beneficial, but what we have noticed and confirmed through other sources is that banks and Fannie (as well) will not record the change of ownership right away. Sometimes, you can have an attorney or company check land records and see if the change in ownership has been recorded. When the grass gets over 1 ft high, we file a complaint through the county and then we see landscapers cutting the grass. Then I ask who he's working for. It's usually a Property Management company and we start sending them notices (calling them as well). Then they usually tell us who the new owner is. Next - As per HOA docs, suspend privileges for parking.

We had a similar case where the owners left the water on, the house froze, then thawed and there was water spewing from every floor front, back side, etc. I called the Water Authority and they cut the water off in 30 minutes. After that, I called the mortgage company and emailed them. They confirmed that they would send out their property mitigation team (which they never did). Two years later, when I found the lawnscaping contractor cutting the grass, I obtained the name of the P.M. and asked him to inspect inside for mold. I also reminded him that if the mold spreads to the adjacent townhomes, they could be held liable. Two days later, 6 trucks, 20 hazmat workers dressed in all white suits and masks and two large open dumpsters showed up. This townhouse (which sold for 525K in 2005) was completely stripped...all flooring, cabinets, vanities, all drywall, and carpeting. Now they for the last two months that have been working on restoring the interior. Right now, visitors, service vehicles, PMs, guests can only park in the driveway and they know this. Hopefully, since they cannot park in open visitor spaces at this time, they might be motivated to pay the post foreclosure HOA fees. We had a lien and and judgement outstanding on the previous owner (who has resurfaced at this time) and potentially, we might get something back on this. Collections attorney is handling all this. What's actually funny is the fact that the board members found the owner information much earlier than the attorney because Fannie had not recorded. That's just how they roll. I guess that they don't want us bugging them about maintenance and appearance issues.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By DutchF on 07/23/2012 5:27 PM
My question pertains to recourse for foreclosed properties which are now owned by the banks and are not being maintained. Let me elaborate. I live in Maryland where many of our properties have basements with sump pumps. When a house becomes empty, many time the power is shut off, which means the sump pumps will not run. Without the sump pumps, you now have a flooded house. A flooded house means mold. Mold means no one want s to buy the property so it continues to sit. Not to mention, it appears the banks have no interest in selling the property until the housing market recovers in an effort to recoup as much as possible without taking a loss.

So, we now have three empty house which are not listed, all flooded, and can't seem to determine which banks own them, not to mention, they probably won't care. We contacted the our county environmental control department going they would consider the homes a safety risk do to mold spurs and had no luck. Anyone have any suggestions/recommendations?

This is an example of why the Declaration of CC&Rs needs to provide for the HOA to enter, maintain, and be able to collect expenses from the current owner. But I would get a Court order for this before doing so.
MikeS1
Posts: 521
Posted:
The certainly probably owe you HOA assessements. Are you having an attorney file liens? Don't assume that their mortgages are all underwater (This I do not mean litterally).
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
Posted:
Dutch F:
In Maryland the Land Records are on line and you can look up who owns the house by just going to the correct county and putting in the address. Here's the link: http://www.mdlandrec.net/msa/stagser/s1700/s1741/cfm/index.cfm?CFID=48143655&CFTOKEN=23458646

Then you need to go after the bank/owner to maintain the property. The Board of Health or the Housing Department of your county government can probably help you with this. Neither like unhealthy structures.

I hope this is helpful to you.
Jeanne
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quite a few CC&R's do allow an association to enter a unit if the association believes that something is going on in the unit that could damage to adjacent units.

Even if not in the docs, I think one could easily obtain a court order to do so.

In the case of single, stand alone houses it could well be a different issue.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Dutch,

I can sympathize with you. Years ago I lived for a short time on a street where the owner had created the biggest eyesore I have ever seen by stacking construction materials in the front yard while he "remodeled" his gutted house. The problem was that he had no permits and the "project" went on for 20 years! The city tried to cite the owner but he was never there during the building inspectors' working hours, so the project just dragged on forever. The good news is that someone finally finished the job and the house looks just fine. But this story is just one reason why I never rely on government agencies to fight my battles: they just lack the will to get the job done. In this case, the city found it more important to avoid paying an inspector overtime than it was to enforce the building codes.

Your CC&R's create a contractual relationship between the owners of the foreclosed properties and your association. Your association, therefore, has standing to seek a remedy.

If your CC&R's permit you to enter the homes, I would recommend starting by posting a large notice on each door of each house, including garage doors and basement doors, announcing that on a particular time and date members of your association will enter the property, inspect for damage, and pump the water out of the basements at the property owners' expense. (You will need portable pumps.)

If your CC&R's are silent about entry, you ought to consult your attorney about getting a court order allowing you to make emergency entry, inspection, and repairs at the owner's expense.

File liens against the properties for all your expenses.

You also need to find out where in the foreclosure process these homes stand. I have seen people vacate a home long before they are legally required to do so. Worst case for you would be to find that the lenders have not even started foreclosure proceedings. In that case, your liens against the properties would likely be wiped out.

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