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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Now for the second time recently, a contractor that our HOA engaged for repairs has asked that we make out the check for payment not to the company that we hired, but to the individual who did the work. Today, the contractor went so far as to say he couldn't cash a check made out to the company.

In each case we received a bid on the company letterhead. We researched the company ahead of time to be sure it was legitimate and carried workman's comp insurance.

It's the same money either way, but I'm uneasy with the request. Does this present any liability to the Association? Has anyone else faced this situation?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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Check with the BBB. They may tell you if this okay or not. I would call the company to if this person is not the owner. Good for you to question!

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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If they are licensed, bonded, trusted, etc. what difference does it make to you how the check is made out?

LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/18/2012 2:32 PM
If they are licensed, bonded, trusted, etc. what difference does it make to you how the check is made out?

John,
Maybe I'm overly suspicious, but it could be that the contractor is avoiding taxes by taking the money without establishing a paper trail that the IRS can follow. The HOA might be seen as complicit in this deception.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Law

I do not know what the contractor is doing (wink, wink, wink) but I see no complicity even if you paid him in $100.00 bills.

Just get a receipt or a paid in full note for cash....LOL

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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He may be trying to avoid payment of taxes. (Sorry, I'm a professional tax preparer, that's how I think). You can make it out to him personally, but DO NOT make it out to "cash." Be sure to send him a 1099-MISC at the end of the year. Make sure you get his SSN. If he refuses, then tell him you can only make the check out to his company. Send copy A of the 1099-MISC to the IRS as required. If he wants to get paid at all, he will comply. Otherwise, let his sue you to collect. If he is trying to avoid payment of taxes, he most likely won't.
JohnM48 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 89
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Of course he can't cash a check made payable to his company, most banks won't do so.

If you received a bid on the company's letterhead, payment should be made to the company (unless the bid documents say otherwise). When the company reviews its books, what's to prevent them from taking collection action against your HOA since the company has never received payment.

And, yes, the IRS and potentially several state agencies would take issue with this practice. Paying an individual involves certain reporting requirements (which may or may not apply to a "company"). Your HOA could be liable for penalties and/or other sanctions for not following those reporting requirements.

I also wouldn't be surprised if the companies insurance carrier would balk at any claims you may have to submit.

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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By BruceF1 on 07/18/2012 2:56 PM
Be sure to send him a 1099-MISC at the end of the year...

Bruce, thank you for the practical advice.

I have one additional question. Is there a simple rule of thumb for when an HOA should be sending out 1099 forms?
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By JohnM48 on 07/18/2012 2:57 PM
If you received a bid on the company's letterhead, payment should be made to the company...

John,
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. In the future, will insist that payment be made to the company, and will make this condition clear up front.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
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Posted By LawrenceC1 on 07/18/2012 3:04 PM
Posted By JohnM48 on 07/18/2012 2:57 PM
If you received a bid on the company's letterhead, payment should be made to the company...

John,
Thank you for confirming my suspicions. In the future, will insist that payment be made to the company, and will make this condition clear up front.

The simple rule of thumb is when the payment of $600 or more is made to an individual (or company other than a corporation) a 1099-MISC must be sent. Complete Box 7, "Non-Employee Compensation." That pretty much forces the recipient to place that amount on Schedule C for reporting business income, otherwise he will receive a nasty notice from the IRS.

Of course, that is the requirement. There is no law that says that you can't send a 1099-MISC for a smaller amount.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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Time out.

Why not simply call the company to see if this guy can receive payment in his name because insurance coverage likely comes w/ work performed through the company IF this person is an employee and not the proprietor.

If he is his own company, who cares how the check is written IF the HOA dues payers receive prompt, courteous and competent service while enjoying the protection of worker's comp and liability insurance?

Let the HOA be an HOA. Let the IRS do its job and not worry about except what it means for your homeowners. Otherwise, busybody board members will cost you a good vendor.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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All

I would be more concerned with licensing, bonding, references, experiences, reputation, longevity, ability, trust, etc. then the payment method.

How paid might well be a taxing issue, reporting issue, etc., but I view it as their issue, not mine.

Recent discussion about businesses offering two prices. The lower price for cash and debit card users. The higher price for credit card users. Guess who is complaining...not me.....LOL

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Lawrence,

I would have much the same concern. Writing the check to the person who did the work leaves your association open to claims that you did not pay for the work. No payment means no warranty. It leaves your property open to mechanics' and or materialmen's liens.

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