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LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Confusion over homonyms drives me nuts. (I know - it’s a short trip.)

People certainly don’t need to be grammar scholars to post a message here, but correct word usage can make a post more convincing.

they’re vs. there vs. their.

If you see an apostrophe in a word, it’s a conjunction (a word that joins words or groups of words). “They’re” is short for “they are.” “Their”, on the other hand, is a possessive. Whatever follows the word “their” belongs to “them.” And the word “there” is used when referring to a place, whether concrete (”over there by the building”) or more abstract (”it must be difficult to live there”).

Example: They’re overlooking their governing documents that are right there for them to read.

its vs. it’s

Again, the apostrophe indicates a conjunction. “It’s” is short for “it is.” On the other hand “its” is a possessive just like “his” or “hers”, and needs no apostrophe. Whatever follows the word “its” belongs to “it.”

Example: It’s true that its meaning is not clear.

Some day automatic grammar checkers will catch all this, but until then, it's a manual process for everyone to check their homonym usage.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Law

Also the word irregardless does not exist. It is regardless.....LOL
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Site and cite. A particular problem on internet discussions. I have had the occasion to warn you all about this before. Beware.

(All (mostly) in fun. And don't get me started about apostrophes. If you need a reminder check out

http://www.angryflower.com/aposter.html)
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By JohnC46 on 07/18/2012 6:17 AM
Law

Also the word irregardless does not exist. It is regardless.....LOL

Or, irrespective. "Irregardless" is a double negative. Whenever I see or hear that word I get a sensation of fingernails scratching on a chalkboard.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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You're means you are as in, "You're going to need to read the documents."

Your is the possessive as in, "Your documents will give you that information."
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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I gave up correcting spelling and grammar long ago. Too much bad grammar, too many misspelled words, and not enough time to straighten everyone out. I find it best to try to decipher what the other person meant and go from there without passing too much judgment on the person's education.
JeanneK3 (Maryland)
Posts: 562
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Is there any way we could get a spellchecker on this forum? I think my replies would be better if we had one.
Jeanne
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Advise and advice. Advise is what you do and advice is what you get, as in, "I advise you to get legal advice."

Site, cite, sight. The site was an ugly sight and the city will cite it.

Spellcheckers are great at catching misspelled words but don't do a bit of good when you use the wrong word but spell it correctly.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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As you point out, Larry, incorrect punctuation, spelling, etc., can interrupt the flow for the reader--it can be a distraction. This means that the reader can miss the writer's possibly very important points or arguments.

It's a mistake for anyone to "judge" a writer's education by these kinds of errors. We all learned these rules in high school and elementary school. Highly educated folks can be terrible writers. Less well-educated people, e.g., both of my parents, can be very good writers.

Education is distinct from intelligence. I'm sure that we all know very intelligent people who have low levels of education. And highly educated people who aren't very bright!
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By CarolR11 on 07/18/2012 9:30 AM
We all learned these rules in high school and elementary school...


Which is why it's sometimes called grammar school. :-)

As Carol points out, this is not a matter of education. It's more an indication of how much care a writer puts into a post. Giving a little more attention to spelling and grammar shows respect for those who will read your post.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
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Posted By JeanneK3 on 07/18/2012 9:05 AM
Is there any way we could get a spellchecker on this forum?

Jeanne,

Here are 2 things that you can do on your own computer to spell check your posts.

1) Install the Google Toolbar on Internet Explorer. There is a spell check button that you can enable under the "Tools" section in the toolbar options. It works very well.

2) Switch to the Chrome browser. It does spell checking as you type, providing a squiggly red underline for misspelled words.

But as Larry points out, spell checking won't catch grammar mistakes.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Mozilla Firefox also has spell check.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By CarolR11 on 07/18/2012 9:30 AM
It's a mistake for anyone to "judge" a writer's education by these kinds of errors.

Aaahhh, so right.

I once worked with a person who routinely used the non-standard word "irregardless." He was a high-level manager and a college graduate and should have known better.

Unfortunately, use of such non-standard English does undermine one's otherwise persuasive writing ability.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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I might add that I have a granddaughter who is a college graduate with a major in English. She still uses constructions such as, "Me and my friend went to the movies."

It make me deeply concerned about the nature of our educational system.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Bruce

My wife took grammar courses for fun

She drilled into me the we and I. She said you will be right over 90% of the time when I is we and me is us.

Bruce and I are going to lunch. Would you care to join Bruce and me.

We are going to lunch. Would you care to join us.

Someeone asks who are partners? Bruce, Harry, and I are is the reply.

Now not all rules fit. Like i before e except after c. Recieve....but receipt is an exception..LOL

The issue on chats is an informal discussion about issues. Grammar takes a back seat. Also some of us never learned to type as we hpeople to do that for us.....LOL

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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But, Bruce; sometimes young adults use language that they commonly hear. Kinda a pop culture thing. I imagine your granddaughter doesn't write that way.

But, today, our P.M., who's a college grad and actually a very good writer, twice wrote in emails to the board the following: "The Herndon's have a leak . . ." And, "The Walker's think that . . ."
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Carol

The Herndons have had a leak, and the Smith's house presently has one.

The apostrophe shows ownership according to my grammar is fun wife.

I would have screwed the pooch on that one....LOL

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
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Hey, John, I was trying to show our "educated" PM's errors.

Btw, check with your grammar-is-fun wife! Your sentence should read, " . . . . the Smiths' house . . ." ; ) It'd be different if you wanted to write, "Al Smith's house . . ."
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Carol

LOL

I know what you were trying to show and as I admitted.. I moight have screwed the pooch on it myself.

I will check with the grammar expert here. I could have typed it or explained it wrong to her...but I will check.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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And, as far as my granddaughter is concerned, my wife is the grammar and I am the grampar.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Totally irrelevant but amusing.

In most of the English-speaking world, the words "to" (toward), "too" (also), and "two" (one plus one) are all pronounced the same. My relatives in Wisconsin, however, have a slightly different pronunciation of the word "two." It comes out sort of like "T-U." They, TOO, may go TO the store but they buy T-U dozen eggs.

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
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Some places pronounce words the same that are distinct in most places.

In the midwest pin and pen are pronounced the same.

In Texas I think oil and awl sound the same.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Is Rte. 17...Root 17...or Rout 17????

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> Is Rte. 17...Root 17...or Rout 17????

Here's where you go to your dictionary websites-

Merriam Webster says both pronunciations are acceptable.

(Personally I choose root.)

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