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BeckyH3 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The top coat of our road on our development was just completed last year. A new lot owner is beginning construction. New lot owner's builder doesn't want to abide by the weight limits suggested by the HOA and the paving company. Paving company suggested that we have builders put up a bond to hold lot owner/builder responsible for any damage to road during construction process. Lot owner went to lawyer and said he didn't have to follow the bond ruling. Said it was not in the resale certificate. It was just added to the C&Rs last year and was approved by the HOA and board members. The land owners, who sold the people the lot didn't disclose this new bond information to the lot owners before they bought. Long story short... is there anything we can do as the HOA board members, legally to make sure lot owner/builder repairs road if there is damage due to construction? There has already been damage due to the large trucks that have come into the development. We feel that the lot owner should be responsible in repairing this damage. Any suggestions? thank you!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
My initial thought might not be what you want to hear.

If what you have is "suggestions from someone" and not part of any CC&R, Bylaws, nor Rule and Regulation that the property owner "signed and acknowledged" then lets us hope no damage is done to the road because if it is, the association is out of luck.

Of course, I could be wrong and it would not be the first time I was. Ask my wife.....LOL

BeckyH3 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The ruling for a bond to protect the roads was voted on and majority agreed during a last years HOA meeting. It is an amendment to our C&Rs. The by-laws clearly state that the HOA reserves the right to amend the C&Rs by voting and majority rules. The new lot owner is saying that his builder doesn't want to abide by the weight limits that have been clearly posted in the development as well as written in the C&Rs. The lot owner is saying that his builder doesn't want to purchase a bond for the road, and says it will cost the lot owner $10,000 more to abide by these weight limits. (by making multiple trips... smaller loads.. etc.) Who should be responsible for the NEW road damage? thanks for your input!
NancyG1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 119
Posted:
I'm assuming you have written the homeowner regarding the C&R and he wrote you back stating what the builder said. The builder is responsible for the damage. Write the builder a letter and ask if he is licensed. Also in the letter state the C&R and ask for a copy of the bond give him x number of days to respond. (See what he says). You can check with the State to see if he is licensed and they should have his insurance information. Also write the homeowner or send him a copy of the builders letter. Also check with municipality Engineers they may be able to help if this builder is overloading his vehicles. You could also put a claim in under the builders insurance policy for property damage after you obtain at least 2 estimates. Hopefully the homeowner has asked this builder for a certificate of insurance, ask him for a copy. In time this could become a court case so make sure you get everything in writing. These are my suggestions. Good luck.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Posted By BeckyH3 on 07/11/2012 7:52 PM

The land owners, who sold the people the lot didn't disclose this new bond information to the lot owners before they bought. Long story short... is there anything we can do as the HOA board members, legally to make sure lot owner/builder repairs road if there is damage due to construction?

Not being informed of changes is typically an issue between the seller and the buyer.

All the board can do is request the bond. If the member/builder doesn't want to post the bond, then you need to consult an attorney to define your legal options.

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Posted By BeckyH3 on 07/11/2012 8:44 PM

The lot owner is saying that his builder doesn't want to purchase a bond for the road, and says it will cost the lot owner $10,000 more to abide by these weight limits. (by making multiple trips... smaller loads.. etc.) Who should be responsible for the NEW road damage? thanks for your input!

The Association administers the contract (the CC&Rs) that exists between all owners of the property. Typically the owner of the property is responsible for the actions and any damage caused by their guests (i.e. the builder).

The issue of the builder not wanting to put up the bond or the additional cost to the owner is an issue between the owner and the builder. It's not relevant to the contract the Association is administrating.

I would suggest that the Board contact their attorney and have the attorney write a cease and desist letter to the owner with a copy to the builder until the bond is paid. Additionally, the letter should include references to the CC&Rs that the owner is personally responsible for any damage caused by their guests/builder and that the bond actually does more to protect the owner than the Association.

Hope this helps,

Tim
DaveD3 (Michigan)
Posts: 796
Posted:
I agree with Tim. The owner not knowing isn't a reason to not abide by the rules.
Demand the bond by a certain date. If you don't receive it, use legal means to stop construction until you do have it.

Hmmm... with one vacant lot left in our association and it being on our shared private road, I think we might want to look into such an amendment ourselves.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
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I might even get the city or county involved. Meaning they also have weight limits on their roads. The equipment has to come in from somewhere. May want to check out their rules and how they enforce the restriction. May help with dealing with your issues. Give some leverage if you can stop them at the door too.

Former HOA President
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By MelissaP1 on 07/12/2012 4:30 AM
I might even get the city or county involved. Meaning they also have weight limits on their roads. The equipment has to come in from somewhere. May want to check out their rules and how they enforce the restriction. May help with dealing with your issues. Give some leverage if you can stop them at the door too.

It would not surprise me to learn that city/county/state roads are designed for heavier loads than the private roads of an HOA. I know our private roads are not designed to the same standards as public roads which is why they will remain private. They cannot be turned over to the town, even if the membership votes to do it, unless they are upgraded first.
BeckyH3 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you for your input and suggestions. We appreciated.

Can anyone clarify the road bonding process? I'm not sure how this works. I've been told several different things including that it isnt legal or enforcable by the HOA. We are going to seek legal counsel on this but would love to have your input as well!

Thank you!
NancyG1 (North Carolina)
Posts: 119
Posted:
Becky your insurance company can explain bonds, check with them.
BeckyH3 (West Virginia)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you to all who replied. Your input has been very helpful!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Assuming that the roads are private and the HOA is responsible for the upkeep and maintenance of them, then you need to read your CC&R's carefully. Ours for instance allows the HOA to make a "Special Assessment" to the homeowner to repair damage to the common elements. You need to document all of the damage as it occurs.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Glen

Interesting about assessing an individual for damage to common elements. I would like to see that wording. Also, has it been tested by anyone in your association?

It goes along with my belief that more people should own up to their own mistakes versus blame someone else but also be smart. Like asking how much would this cost me to make this go away? This in itself does not admit guilt but maybe in the long run, cheaper and less aggravating to pay for and move on.

Recent article I read said that after an auto accident, never say "I am sorry" as that could be admitting guilt. Saying, golly I hope you are not hurt shows concern even if you caused the accident.

Sometimes the difference is in the salesmanship.......LOL
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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John it is actually in our documents in several places but this is the most comprehensive:

Compliance with Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions. Every Unit Owner shall comply strictly with the covenants, conditions and restrictions set forth in this Declaration, with the By-Laws of the Association and with the Rules and Regulations in relation to the use and operation of the Condominium, the Units, the Common Elements and the other Condominium Property. Failure to comply with any of the same shall be grounds for an action to recover sums due, for damages, or injunctive relief of all of them, as provided by Section 5311.23 of the Ohio Revised Code. In any case of flagrant or repeated violation by a Unit Owner, he may be required by the Association to give sufficient surety or sureties for his future compliance with said covenants, conditions, restrictions, By-Laws, Rules and Regulations.

Violations of the covenants, conditions, or restrictions shall be grounds for the Association or any Unit Owner to commence a civil action for damages, injunctive relief, or both, and an award of court costs and reasonable attorney's fees in both types of action. Any and all expenses incurred by the Association in enforcing any of the terms and provisions of the condominium instruments, including reasonable attorneys’ fees to the extent permitted by Ohio law, may be levied as a special assessment against the Unit Owner in question and his or her Unit.

Yes it has been used several times to my knowledge, once when the child of a H/O gave a key to the exercise room to their friends and the friends wrecked it throwing a party. Another time when a drunk homeowner to show his displeasure tore up the lawns doing "donuts" in his car.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
We also may assess Owners for clean-up or repairs to the common areas caused by them, their lessees, guests, employees, etc. We have, indeed, done this via proper procedures. Most recently, an Owner rapidly backed her car into our automatic entrance gate--cost about $1,000 to repair. Another time an owner's adult son & a friend got into a scuffle in an elevator vestibule damaging a door frame & an emergency permanent sign.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
We also may assess Owners for clean-up or repairs to the common areas caused by them, their lessees, guests, employees, etc. We have, indeed, done this via proper procedures. Most recently, an Owner rapidly backed her car into our automatic entrance gate--cost about $1,000 to repair. Another time an owner's adult son & a friend got into a scuffle in an elevator vestibule damaging a door frame & an emergency permanent sign.
ThomasT6 (West Virginia)
Posts: 1
Posted:
I know it's been over 10yrs since post but what was the outcome?
DouglasK1 (Florida)
Posts: 2,046
Posted:
The original poster is long gone from this forum, so I don't think we will ever find out.

Escaped former treasurer and director of a self managed association.

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