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SamE1 (California)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I'm a long standing Board Member at a California HOA. I sent our Prop Mgr additional items to be placed on the annual HOA Agenda after it had already been sent out to home owners. (The first set of agenda items had been determined by one way email between one Board member and our Property Mgr. Other Board members were not CCd on the email nor did we ever give our approval etc. The first time I saw the agenda items on our annual HOA meeting was when I opened my mail the same day all other home owners received theirs). Now she's telling me that the Board needs to approve any items I place on the agenda! I requested these items be added to the agenda a full 8 days before the meeting. She said she had to get Board approval to send out a special mailing and revised agenda. I debated that and said per the Davis Stirling Act, any Board Director can add items to the agenda -- without or with - Board approval. She is still requesting full Board approval for a revised agenda and special mailing. She is saying that that code refers to future agendas (wouldn't a mtg occuring 8 days later be considered a future meeting?). I've always felt she was biased and simply looks for ways to support this Board members, but I think this clearly proves it. Am I correct? Thanks!
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Once again CA and the screwed up Davis-Stirling.

While I am not a liker of Davis-Stirling, what does it it say about items being placed BOD Meeting Agenda?

Like it or not, read and understand it. It is what it is. If she is wrong, hang her. If she is right, pay attention to her.

Come to SC. Any member of the BOD can introducs agenda changes at most anytime.

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
The President of the Board presides at the meetings and will generally be the individual who set the agenda, hopefully with input from their fellow Board members. The PM is wrong in that it doesn't take Board approval to get a topic on the agenda. If your item didn't get on the agenda, a little trick to use is have a fellow homeowner bring the topic up in open forum. What can't be done though is take action on the discussion.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Your property manager serves at the pleasure of the board. She argues with members of the board at her own risk. If she is not operating in conformance with Davis-Sterling it is time to find a new property manager.

SamE1 (California)
Posts: 32
Posted:
We don't have a president -- all three Board members are equal. But regardless, I thought all Board members can equally add items on the agenda? The property manager sent out the initial agenda after hearing items from one Board member. When I then sent in my agenda items (8 days before the meeting), she said it was too late and would require all Board approval for a special mailing of the revised agenda etc. I think she's wrong and not knowing how to apply Davis Stirling.
SamE1 (California)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I agree. The problem is she totally goes along with whatever the other Board members wants. When she tells me she needs Board approval - it is generally that I have requested something and she seeks his approval (though we are all three equal members - no President etc.). She also knows I'm not happy with their performance and will seek to replace them if re-elected. She knows the other member will want her to stay. She is impacting important issues though by not following code etc. I'm not sure if we are allowed to name Prop Mgt Companies... it is one in Sherman Oaks, CA -- if you have them... stay away!
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Typically the annual meeting is for the purpose of providing reports to the membership, hold elections and hold votes on other issues before the whole membership (amendments to documents, budgets, etc.). There should also be time available for open discussion of issues the membership wants to bring up.

Items that only require board level approval should be held for discussion at the regular board meetings vs. discussing it at the annual meeting.
Per davis-stirling.com's annual meeting page:

Members may conduct any business at membership meetings which is legal and proper. However, not all business is proper because of the limited power of the membership. Moreover, any significant action taken by the membership must be voted on by secret written ballot, which requires the mailing of ballots to all members 30 days in advance of the meeting.

It appears that the issue you are having emanates from the one board member and not the property manager. If the property manager wants board approval before expending additional funds for printing and postage, call a meeting and bring it up to the Board. At this meeting you can also discuss the issue of the agenda being set without input from other board members. Perhaps even making a motion at the meeting to remove that member who set the agenda from office (not from the board) so this doesn't happen again in the future.

If you want to change management companies, perhaps you can chair a committee for bids on a new property management contract when the current one expires.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I'm surprised, Sam, that your bylaws do not require officers. It seems like at least part of what your PM might be saying, as Tim suggests, is that you need board approval to spend funds on postage, copies, envelopes, etc.

And as others have pointed out, since it's an annual meeting of the membership, the agenda almost always is solely about election related topics. The mailing that went out includes ballots, yes?

If you still have time, you should be able to call a special meeting of the board. This could be held immediately before or after the annual meeting. But this depends on your bylaws, and you probably would need another director to join you in calling such a meeting. And, as you know, this requires 4 days posted notice to the membership. Is there someplace where your regular meetings notices are posted? Surely notices of regular meetings of the board aren't all sent in the mail, are they?

What size is your HOA?

In our HOA the PM & prez coordinate the agenda, but the PM emails directors every month requesting agenda items. We also invite Owners to suggest agenda items via our newsletter every so often.

I'm not so sure that Davis-Sterling states that all directors may set the agenda. (I'll look it up later.)

RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
Since the OP referred to the meeting as the Annual Meeting, there are a couple of items to clarify. What gets on the agenda is purely based on politics. If you are a At-Large Director trying to make changes to the way business is conducted, you probably are not going to get cooperation from the powers to be.

Notice must be given at least 10 days prior to the meeting. It can be delivered in a number of ways, per Corp Code 7511(b). Business is limited to those items on the notice, as no other business may be transacted, Corp Code 7511(a). Remember, this is a "owners meeting", their one day, every year, to take action on their own.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
So, Sam. That any director may place items on the agenda can be found at davis-sterling.com, which is written by HOA attorneys. Go to the Main Index -> Agendas. But directors' power to do so is not from the Davis-Sterling legislation.

Perhaps in Richard's experience, some directors have more power than others, but that's not the case in our HOA. Officers have certain duties, but none of them involve setting the agenda. Our bylaws basically follow CA Corps Code, although we delegate a fair amount to our PM, e.g., I'm the secretary, but I do not take notes at our meetings.

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