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LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Interesting Op Ed piece.

I notice that you and the author have the same initials. Did you write it?

Not being familiar with California laws and courts, I was curious as to why there were so many trips to small claims courts instead of just one to the superior court. In my state, the municipal and justice courts have extremely limited jurisdiction to issue injunctions, so that if an association were to refuse a member admittance to a meeting, the member would need to seek an injunction in the superior court. While it is slightly more expensive, the case would be heard by a "real" judge in the superior court.

Is mediation a requirement of California law? Mediation sounds like a nice idea but in reality it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to impede a final resolution. The problem with mediation is that ideally both parties must act in good faith and in real life that rarely happens. One party or the other will inevitably appeal, rendering mediation a useless waste of time and money.

In Arizona there was a house bill that died in committee that would have held HOA directors personally liable for all legal costs if they lost a lawsuit against one of their members. I hope it someday passes.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
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Posted By LarryB13 on 07/07/2012 11:28 AM
Interesting Op Ed piece.

I notice that you and the author have the same initials. Did you write it?

Not being familiar with California laws and courts, I was curious as to why there were so many trips to small claims courts instead of just one to the superior court. In my state, the municipal and justice courts have extremely limited jurisdiction to issue injunctions, so that if an association were to refuse a member admittance to a meeting, the member would need to seek an injunction in the superior court. While it is slightly more expensive, the case would be heard by a "real" judge in the superior court.

Is mediation a requirement of California law? Mediation sounds like a nice idea but in reality it just adds another layer of bureaucracy to impede a final resolution. The problem with mediation is that ideally both parties must act in good faith and in real life that rarely happens. One party or the other will inevitably appeal, rendering mediation a useless waste of time and money.

In Arizona there was a house bill that died in committee that would have held HOA directors personally liable for all legal costs if they lost a lawsuit against one of their members. I hope it someday passes.

First trip to small claims court was useful for document production. In California, you can take the HOA to small claims court for document production and election procedures. The judgment required: payment of a fine, production of documents and mediation. The Open Meeting Act violations were supposed to be addressed in mediation.

Mediation is required to settle issues within a HOA. A member can refuse, but the HOA cannot. This is called Internal dispute resolution. Civil Code ยง1363.830(g). If the HOA does not have such procedures, the state rules apply. (Civil Code ยง1363.840)

The board refused to meet and address the secret meetings and this is what made us file in small claims court. At the time, one legal website indicated Open Meeting Act violations could be addressed there, but this was not allowed in Los Angeles County.

The second trip was as a result of a hearing brought by the board against us. This was dismissed due to the Board's failure to meet the four elements of a hearing and fraud. The problem was a decision made by the previous board and not one person and the current board failed to produce the minutes and the newsletters. The newsletter showed it was a board decision and not the actions of one director. Without the documents we could not have proven fraud. The judge dismissed this, but also dismissed the cross complaint. The cross complaint was about production of documents.

The judge made a mistake of law and we challenged the dismissal of the cross complaint in the third trip to small claims court. The board was forced to produce documents which further indicated the full extent of the fraud.

Mediation/arbitration is required in the state of California when one files in a higher court for civil claims (limited/unlimited). So either way, we would have been required to had mediation/arbitration. In Los Angeles County, you have two free services you can use. Farmers insurance insisted on a paid mediator.

What is disappointing is that the insurance specialist for Farmers Insurance, encouraged the board to disregard the small claims court judge's decision (production of documents and mediation). For this reason, we required a lawyer to get a full copy of the HOA insurance. Viewing and having a copy of one's insurance would seem like a no-brainer, but apparently not for Farmers Insurance. Civil Code 1365.2(a)(1)(D)

We have been to mediation twice and the board did not, to our surprise show up. Only the agent in one case and one representative with the agent in the other. Originally, I did not think we would need an attorney for mediation or production of the insurance, but under Farmers Insurance we did. Since we met in mediation in May, we know that in order to form their two replies, the board has met, in secret, at least twice. This goes against California state civil code in which a HOA board cannot take action without a meeting (except an emergency) and cannot have a meeting without notification of all members and including an agenda in that notification. This could invalidate any mediation contract signed. We pointed this out to Farmers specialist via our attorney. His reply was that the board would begin notification and sending agendas after the contract was signed. Our attorney had to again explain very clearly--no meeting = no action. No meetings without an agenda and notification. (SB 563 was signed by the governor last year in September and went into effect on January 1, 2012).

I am not sure if the insurance specialist is really that uninformed or if his and/or Farmers Insurance's strategy is to cause such a financial burden to the complainants that they will be forced to drop the case. I am not sure if this is a general policy for Farmers insurance, the particular agency or that particular insurance specialist. The first mediation contract we signed was broken by the Farmers insurance specialist.

When I talk about problems with the HOA board I mean legal problems. I mean there are state filings that are long overdue and we asked for copies to insure these were actually filed. The documents should have been filed last July (2011) and if not filed in February 2012 would result in a fine from the state. At some point, if these papers are not filed, it will mean a loss of corporation status. Our attorney does not believe these documents were filed.

The board also hired non-licensed workers for jobs that the state licensing board requires a contract and a license. The board did not require documents to prove the non-licensed worker had insurance.

We also believe the board have failed to file a 1099 as required for the contract work.

The board also wishes to install a playground, but does not know the full cost and when we asked about the cost of a accredited inspector, we received no response. At this time, there seems to be no plan to conform with state health and safety standards.

In general, we found that our fellow members didn't understand the concept of legal liability and perhaps still do not. For the original October court case, the board assured the members in a newsletter (that we didn't receive) that we had a weak case (and they had consulted a lawyer) and that the insurance would pay for any cost. As the board has refused to reveal the name of this attorney, we believe they have never consulted with an attorney.

While well-intentioned, SB 563 has no teeth. There is no quick economical way to take action. A civil court case might take years as did the one in Hawaii. The only way in California that the directors would be responsible personally for the cost would be if someone took them to court and they were found guilty of willful misconduct or negligence. Our attorneys told us it would take at least a year and lots more money.
IreneJ (California)
Posts: 38
Posted:
Hi JM10, I wanted to give you an update on my situation. Last week, we sued another board member for defamation in small claims court and won! We got the maximum and the board member is personally liable, not the association! Small strides but progress!
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
That is great. Would love to hear more. I guess it depends a lot on the judge.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
God - this is rampant. I fought the previous BOD for the very same issue. They met in private to approve a rental amendment to our CC&R's in June 2010 and it wasn't until I received the voting paperwork for the amendment in August that I came to find out they met. I tried to have the voting stopped and was unsuccessful. I sued in small claims and they agreed to approximately 10 different things after the judge started shredding their representative. Then they ignored what they agreed too. I unfortunataly did not have money to hire a lawyer. The President kept up with the meetings and decisions behind closed door to support his actions which was he short-sold in March 2011. He setup FHA approval, repainted only selected portions of property that supported him, etc... all the while the other two Board Members acted as his proxy.

Now we have a functioning Board as the former President is gone from the property, the former treasurer was voted out and the 3rd member did not run for position.

The only problem I have is the current Board won't rescind the amendment change due to improper meeting by the former Board as they to want to keep the rental amendment in place.

The rental amendment was a amendment to remove an amendment previously approved in 2006 limiting rentals and put back into place the original language in the CC&R's that allowed for rentals. We are at 4 rentals out of 8 units and ALL of our problems in the past 1.5 years have been from rental tenants not onsite owners.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
While not the topic of this thread, I suggest you read davis-sterling.com -> Main Index -> rental limitations. New legislation took effect in CA on 1/12 that hampers HOA's ability to set rental limits. I'm not familiar with it though.

Meantime, i'm happy to hear that your community is on a good path!
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
Yea I'm familar with the new law, the one the Real Estate industry ramrodded down the throats of the CA legislator. It only benefits the RE community and allows them to sell more properties to investors. Its a horrible law that brings about many problems. I'm highly against rentals that go above what the bank limits are. Example no more than 30% etc... I'm for limited rentals in an orderly fashion but not this everyone can rent deal. I know this has been taken up before but just venting. We have 50% rentals so good luck when I try to go and sell whenever that may be in this market.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
I agree with you, David, the CA rental restriction legislation is terrible! And it hits smaller HOA's the hardest.

We're 43% tenant occupied, but with 200+ units, it would take awhile to reach 50%.
DavidA7 (California)
Posts: 179
Posted:
It goes to the issue of legislation that makes a single law and doesn't differentiate between large HOA's and small HOA's. A 200 unit complex at 30%/50% is 60/100 whereas a 8 unit complex 30/50 is 3/4. CA Legislator need to understand one size doesn't fit all for HOA law.
RichardP13 (California)
Posts: 1,767
Posted:
I have a different take on the issue of the interpretation of SB563, or the revision to the "Open Meeting Act".

Here is one interpretation of a "meeting".

One dictionary defines a meeting as an act or process of coming together as an assembly for a common purpose.[1]

A meeting is a gathering of two or more people that has been convened for the purpose of achieving a common goal through verbal interaction, such as sharing information or reaching agreement.

I consider a Board meeting where "action" is taken. My understanding for the rewrite of 1363.05 was too many Boards were taking "actions without a meeting" and not putting those actions into the minutes of the next meeting.

I attended a CAI seminar recently with two attorneys present giving their interpretation of SB563. Both had different interpretations. What problems do homeowners have with Board members. It's them taking "action" without public discussion. If you are discussing topics via email with other Board members and a manager and/or vendor, these are purely for discussion and collection of information. The "action" that will be taken after all information is gathered should always be done in open session. That is why I am strongly in support of an agenda that is posted four day prior clearly identifying all the topics being discussed and potential action to be taken.

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