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BjS (Florida)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Florida HOA: It has been said, by an association lawyer, that the by-laws or the articles of incorporation can be amended to include "deed restrictions" beacuse FS 720 is silent on what is included in the bylaws or articles. Does anyone know if this is correct or if only the CCRs can have deed restrictions on the use of my home/lot.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
This seems to vary from state to state, but there is a body of common law that holds that an association cannot alter deed restrictions by amending its bylaws.

See http://www.appeals2.az.gov/Decisions/CV20050072Opinion.pdf

In this Arizona Court of Appeals opinion, the court held that a townhome community could not impose deed restrictions to create a 55+ community by amending the bylaws.

Among the authorities cited was Section 6.7(3) of the Restatement (Third) of Property:Servitudes (2000):

"Absent specific authorization in the declaration, the common-interest community does not have the power to adopt rules, other than those [designed to protect the common property], that restrict the use or occupancy of, or behavior within, individually owned lots or units."

Since the Restatement holds more weight than the self-serving opinion of the HOA attorney, it is not likely legal to amend the CC&R's by amending the bylaws.

What is it that your association is trying to do?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
in general, by-laws SHOULD BE a place to find the rules for how a company (HOA) will conduct business, rules for conduct, elections, making decisions, etc.. It should be the charter for HOW to run the HOA behind the scenes.

However, I know NOTHING about the legalities of deed restrictions, and how they can be properly recorded, where they can be done, etc..

So, I would say that such things SHOULD not be in the by-laws, but I could never say they can't be in the by-laws.
BjS (Florida)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The HOA wants to amend the by-laws. Our basic understanding is the by-laws govern the way the board operates, elections, conducts meeting, roles of it officers, etc. The current amendment process is for 75% of the members to approve a by-law amendment. That is difficult for this type of document.

One proposed change to the bylaws is to the amendment process itself to make it easier to obtain and change to 51% of those present in person or by proxy at a member meeting. Seemed reasonable that would be the interested owners for this type of document.

BUT if deed restrictions can be placed in the bylaws, it is too easy for a few. I don’t want a few placing deed restriction that yellow canaries are not allowed. (I know silly, but do you see my point).

PS, I & others have worked months on bylaw amendments and this statement from our attorney was so unexpected. Never did any of us think this could be an avenue for a getting deed restrictions implemented.
BjS (Florida)
Posts: 16
Posted:
The HOA wants to amend the by-laws. Our basic understanding is the by-laws govern the way the board operates, elections, conducts meeting, roles of it officers, etc. The current amendment process is for 75% of the members to approve a by-law amendment. That is difficult for this type of document.

One proposed change to the bylaws is to the amendment process itself to make it easier to obtain and change to 51% of those present in person or by proxy at a member meeting. Seemed reasonable that would be the interested owners for this type of document.

BUT if deed restrictions can be placed in the bylaws, it is too easy for a few. I don’t want a few placing deed restriction that yellow canaries are not allowed. (I know silly, but do you see my point).

PS, I & others have worked months on bylaw amendments and this statement from our attorney was so unexpected. Never did any of us think this could be an avenue for a getting deed restrictions implemented.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
My last HOA required 75% of owners approval needed to change CC&R's and/or Bylaws. We changed it to 66% but we needed 75% to agree to the change.

We simply said 66% is enough protection and owners agreed but we would not have been able to do such without a massive proxy gathering effort as most did not really care about it.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, BjS, when you used the example of yellow canaries, I wondered if some of the deed restrictions you're referring to actually mean rules and regulations?

Put another way, I'm not sure how you're defining "deed restrictions." A couple of examples of what's currently in your deed restrictions would help. Thanks.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
BJS

As has been said, laws, ruels, regulations, etc. it can vary quite a bit especially when concerning owner associations in FL and CA.

As I understand it, CC&R's (Covenants, Conditions and Restrictions) are filed with the deed and I guess they could be called Deed Restrictions. They also contain methods to change them, so I assume this means that if homeowners can change the CC&R's then they are changing the deed restrictions. Of all them I have seen, read, and I lived under 5 associations, it took at at least 66% of homeowners agreeing to make a change. In some cases I have seen 75% and in some I have heard it takes 100%.

Bylaws generally closer define aspects of the CC&R's but they cannot overide them. If the CC&R's say there cannot be any yellow canary's, the Bylaws cannot get around it by saying (as some else said) except on days ending with a y.

Some Bylaws are filed with the deeds, some are not. The Bylaws in my HOA are filed with the deed. I do not know if Bylaws filed with the deeds are also deed restrictions. Perhaps someone else can clarify that. Bylaws also contain methods for owners to change them. Again usually a majority of owner but I have heard of some that allow Bylaw changes with less then 50% of owner approval.

Hope this helps.

JeanI (Louisiana)
Posts: 112
Posted:
Deed restrictions are given to a homeowner when they purchase their house. They are filed with the clerk of court where the property is located. The bylaws are not filed in court and usually they have a provision as to how to amend them, the Articles of Incorporation and sometimes the Covenants. If the bylaws are silent as to how to amend the Restrictions/Covenants then revert to state law regarding the matter. JeanI
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jean

It can vary. Our CC&R's and Bylaws are both filed with the County Registrar of Deeds thus they are both Deed Restrictions.

Personally I prefer it that way. Legally on the tablle, nothing hidden, nothing jumping up at the last minute, no denial about never seeing/signing for, etc.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jean

I have this thing about Cajun girls from Lafayette Parish,

Laissez les bons temps rouler perhaps,...nevermind...wrong chat...LOL
KevinK7 (Florida)
Posts: 1,343
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BjS on 07/06/2012 4:05 PM
The HOA wants to amend the by-laws. Our basic understanding is the by-laws govern the way the board operates, elections, conducts meeting, roles of it officers, etc. The current amendment process is for 75% of the members to approve a by-law amendment. That is difficult for this type of document.

One proposed change to the bylaws is to the amendment process itself to make it easier to obtain and change to 51% of those present in person or by proxy at a member meeting. Seemed reasonable that would be the interested owners for this type of document.

BUT if deed restrictions can be placed in the bylaws, it is too easy for a few. I don’t want a few placing deed restriction that yellow canaries are not allowed. (I know silly, but do you see my point).


In my opinion, it is a bad idea to lower the threshold. It makes it easier to to pass bad changes and has the potential to upset even more homeowners. Having a higher threshhold insures that a greater percentage of homeowners are satisfied with the outcome.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Kevin

I agree.

In one HOA we changed from 75% to 66% and we felt comfortable at 66%. The closer to 50% it gets, the more nervous I get.

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