Open vs closed lein meeting

I'm having a meeting with the board about my non paid dues. I would like some witnesses. Must the board allow me witnesses in the closed session?

I would concentrate more on coming up with an agreeable solution. Make a payment plan you all can live with. I don't know why your behind in dues but if it is for financial reasons then I have a suggestion. I let one of our memebers who had temporary money issues pay half her dues without paying late fees if she would then pay dues and a half dues at a later time to catch up. We had a 6 month lien policy. As long as she made effort to catch up before the 6 months we would not lien.

Work out a plan to catch up and pay off. If this non payment of dues is related to "protesting" an issue, then I can't help you. You owe the dues then and will face the lien.

I'm curious about why you want "witnesses," Randy. Care to share?

And Melissa's right; offer the board a payment plan: doesn't have to be half your dues, but should be reasonable and the best you can afford.

Randy

I do not think you will find much empathy out here. Most, myself included would say, pay the dues and dispute your issues other ways.

Tough love here but non-dues payers are a paoin in the a$$. They are hurting all fellow owners, no matter their reason for not paying.

Even if the BOD are fools, wrong, etc., that is not the issue. You are cutting your nose off to spite your face by not paying your dues.

I am wondering if you are the type that feels they won ever battle they ever fought but stiil does not understand why they lost every war they ever entered.

Why must everyone judge, ask for personal information, and make predictions?

It's none of anyone's business.

Just answer the question like BrianB or pass on replying.

You have fabricated facts (withheld payment) and asked personal questions.

He said non-payment. Why, is none of your business. It may be painful or embarssing.

Others have said 'no empathy here" with no information as to the OP's circumstances.

Ohters go on tho say how they "have foreclosed for $2K".

All this because he asks if he can have a witness.

Get over you selves.

Melissa (and others)

I add this because I love history, and many people do not know the origin of the phrase "Pyrrhic Victory". It was named after a real person, who fought and defeated the Romans (twice).

The phrase is named after King Pyrrhus of Epirus, whose army suffered irreplaceable casualties in defeating the Romans at Heraclea in 280 BC and Asculum in 279 BC during the Pyrrhic War. In both of Pyrrhus's victories, the Romans suffered greater casualties than Pyrrhus did. However, the Romans had a much larger supply of men from which to draw soldiers, so their casualties did less damage to their war effort than Pyrrhus's casualties did to his.

So, when we use this phrase, we help keep alive the memory of the great General Pyrrhus, who has achieved a bit of immortality for his name.

Thanks for helping me spell it...LOL!!! Reminds me of the origins of the term "Boycott". It too is named after a real person. Mr. Boycott was a rich man who raised taxes. Out of anger many stopped buying things from Mr. Boycott. He eventually loss his fortune and died penniless. However, his name and actions of the town's people have now coined the term "boycott"...History... Got to love it as you know it happened...

Jay

Once some saw "unpaid dues",many believe, myself included, that one pretty much has no justification for not paying their dues and they are hurting all no matter their reasons/witnesses even when they might be right in the end game.

Have you ever been accused of being a non-dues payer?

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Randy CA

Jay,

99% of the questions posted in this forum are incomplete and/or ambiguous and, therefore, more information is required to provide an answer.

In this case, the OP asked "Must the board allow me witnesses in the closed session?"

What is he asking? Is he asking if he may bring persons into the meeting to give oral testimony on his behalf or is he asking if he may bring in persons to watch what the board is doing in the executive session? His question goes either way and clarification was needed.

And that will help you to do what?

Oh, John,

You just have to disagree with everything I write, don't you? (LOL)

Your honor, if you direct me to answer "yes or no", then I will and must ask that you immediately cite the attorney, and yourself, for contempt of court and/or suborning perjury. For, if you recall, you yourself had me swear and oath to tell "the truth, the WHOLE truth, and nothing but the truth". If now, you or opposing counsel require me to answer this question in only one word, that would be a violation of my oath, and perjury, and as officers of the court, and the court itself, you would be knowingly subborning said perjury.

Yes.
Prior to EBT or other similar electronic fund transfers (which I now use) there was a situation in which my check was not recieved along with a utility and CC payment made the same day.

It turned out there was an issue with the community mailbox (Townhouse complex) in which after investigation a few others had 'lost' parcels too. The letters were found and eventually all was worked out and the mailbox repaired.

So 'testifying witnesses' who had similar problems mailing parcels would be beneficial.

This is an unusual case but stuff happens.

This site is for learning and ideas. I find the jugdgements, with as otheres have said, few or incomplete facts to be unappealing and diminishes it's value and attractiveness to new members.

I started this with a simple question. Here is another simple question. Is there any circumstance were not paying your dues is acceptable? I'm enjoying the answers by the way.
Randy

No.

Say you are unhappy because the city hasn't repaired the street in front of your home. Do you refuse to pay your property taxes until they do? No.

Not the same thing? Wanna bet?

Here's the deal. You have a contractual obligation to pay your assessments. That obligation is enforceable in a court of law. Unless your contract contains a provision allowing you to withhold payment for some reason or another, you are obligated to make your payments as specified in the contract. Failure to perform or malfeasance on the part of the other other party is not likely to be a sustainable defense for not paying, unless that is part of the contract. Your only recourse is to pursue those remedies allowed to you by law.

It's an old saying, but it's still true: "Two wrongs don't make a right."

When two sides can't agree, it's better to do everything right and put the other side on the defensive rather than doing things wrong and ending up on the defensive yourself.

Well said.