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VeronicaR1 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hello.

On Monday of this week we managed to vote out 4 out of 5 members of our board at a very delayed annual meeting. This board has been in control of our for over 20 years. They have been breaking almost every by-law. The lawyer for the community was there and I asked him when were we to expect the turnover of all the documents, bank accounts etc. He said they have 5 days to do it but he would recommend them to do it ASAP.

It is now Friday and we have not received anything. Can anybody offer any advise please!!!
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
To whom are the documents supposed to go? Your HOA attorney? Or?
VeronicaR1 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
They are suppose to be turned in to the new board. They have not handed over bank accounts, keys, documents, any records that we need to function as a new board.
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
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The association lawyer now works for the new board. You could ask him to write a firm letter. If there is no response you may need to go to court.

Do you have control of the bank accounts? That is a more urgent concern.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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The general rule of time lines is that when a person has 10 or fewer days to act, only business days are counted. Eleven or more days are counted as calendar days.

Your vote was on Monday. Tuesday was day one, Wednesday two, Thursday three, and Friday (today) is four. Saturday and Sunday are not considered business days, so Monday will be day five.

Relax.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If person five is signatory on the accounts the new Board should fill out new signature cards, removing access to the four who were removed.

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VeronicaR1 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Larry would you please let me know where I can find the info you provided...thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Veronica,

Since most Associations are also nonprofit corporations I expect that this is the case for yours as well. If not, then the following advice might not apply.

As a non-profit, FL corporate laws apply (in addition to HOA/Condo laws). Per FL 617.0808, if this was a recall election, the removed members have 72 hours from the election to return documents in their custody.

However, if this was a regular election, then I could find no law that would be applicable and I would encourage you to follow your Attorney's advice on the timeline.

Note: I said your attorney. The Attorney works for the Association. Therefore, if documents are not produced by close of business Monday, ask the Attorney what steps are needed to be followed to have the documents turned over.

Legal advice costs so you might just want to go as a group to the homes of each previous Director and ask for the records. It's possible that they are waiting for you to contact them.

Hope this helps,

Tim

DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Veronica,

Who physically has control of the records? Does the association have a management company? If so, they most likely hold the records. Unless you plan to terminate their contract, the records would remain with them. You, as a board member can inspect any of the records at their place of business.

In terms of getting one of the new board members as a signer on the bank accounts - as soon as possible have the new board approve the minutes of the meeting where they became board members. My experience has been that the bank will want to have that document before changing the signature authority on the account.
VeronicaR1 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Thanks Tim!!
VeronicaR1 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We do not have a management company. The treasurer has all the records. I was the secretary and am the only one re-elected and did not have any records or documents that pertained to me according to our by-laws. I asked for them and they ignored my request.

We do not even know what bank they use. We have been fighting for over 1 year for this. And now that we prevailed the old board is not complying.
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
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Posted By VeronicaR1 on 06/23/2012 6:30 AM
We do not have a management company. The treasurer has all the records. I was the secretary and am the only one re-elected and did not have any records or documents that pertained to me according to our by-laws. I asked for them and they ignored my request.

We do not even know what bank they use. We have been fighting for over 1 year for this. And now that we prevailed the old board is not complying.

It wouldn't surprise me if the reasons they are not complying is that they have no records. It might be best to just assume you will not get any usable records and to move forward. The first thing to do is to find the bank account. If the old board won't give you the information, contact one of your current vendors and ask them to provide you with a copy of the last check they received from the association. This will give you the bank and account number. With the minutes of the meeting I mentioned earlier, go to the bank and close that account. Open a new one with you as signer.

Good luck.
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
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Posted By DavidW5 on 06/23/2012 8:28 AM
Posted By VeronicaR1 on 06/23/2012 6:30 AM
We do not have a management company. The treasurer has all the records. I was the secretary and am the only one re-elected and did not have any records or documents that pertained to me according to our by-laws. I asked for them and they ignored my request.

We do not even know what bank they use. We have been fighting for over 1 year for this. And now that we prevailed the old board is not complying.


It wouldn't surprise me if the reasons they are not complying is that they have no records. It might be best to just assume you will not get any usable records and to move forward. The first thing to do is to find the bank account. If the old board won't give you the information, contact one of your current vendors and ask them to provide you with a copy of the last check they received from the association. This will give you the bank and account number. With the minutes of the meeting I mentioned earlier, go to the bank and close that account. Open a new one with you as signer.

Good luck.

I would give them 10-days for the records and schedule a board meeting. The board should write an official letter (before wasting money on the attorney) and list the documents you are requesting. You may also check because some documents may have a 30-day allowance for production.

Give them a deadline according to what your CC&R and state civil codes/corporate codes allow. Deliver it as required or to be safe, email and regular mail (certified delivery or registered).

For some records, you'll just have to write them off if you can't get them such as meeting minutes and newsletters. However, you'll need a record that you weren't given them so that in the future if someone asks for them, you and future boards will not be fined for not having those documents. During a dispute we recently had, the board refused to produce newsletters and minutes, but we had them and they lost in court. If they do exist, see what you can get from other people just in case.

The bank accounts are more important and the advice above is sound. You'll have to request all the documents from the bank and the treasurer will have to go through them.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
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Posted By VeronicaR1 on 06/23/2012 5:40 AM
Larry would you please let me know where I can find the info you provided...thank you.

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TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
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Larry,

RULES OF CIVIL PROCEDURE is certainly applicable to court cases and therefore, logically, should be followed when litigation is a possibility.

As the documents purpose states:

These rules govern the procedure in all civil actions and proceedings in the United States district courts, except as stated in Rule 81. They should be construed and administered to secure the just, speedy, and inexpensive determination of every action and proceeding.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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Posted By VeronicaR1 on 06/22/2012 6:53 AM
Hello.

On Monday of this week we managed to vote out 4 out of 5 members of our board at a very delayed annual meeting. This board has been in control of our for over 20 years. They have been breaking almost every by-law. The lawyer for the community was there and I asked him when were we to expect the turnover of all the documents, bank accounts etc. He said they have 5 days to do it but he would recommend them to do it ASAP.

It is now Friday and we have not received anything. Can anybody offer any advise please!!!

I would say the day of the vote, Monday is not counted as a business day.
Tuesday is business day 1.
Wednesday is business day 2.
Thursdy in business day 3.
Friday is business day 4.
Saturday and Sunday are not business days.
Monday is business day 5 unless a holiday, but another subject....LOL

If by Tuesday I did not have the records, I would be making some phone calls to the lawyer for the community.

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