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NatalyaR (Alabama)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Hello, we had a Board of Directors who at one point assessed a special assessment to re-roof our condos. We paid a certain amount for one year. One of the Directors got a contract because she worked for a roofing company and I assume it worked into her favor. By the time the job was done, the insurance was able to get us the refund for hail damage in the amount of $XXX.XXX. Nothing was told to the Homeowners, and all that money was budgeted to spend for upcoming expenses that year (without Homeowners knowing that. Only HOA BOD knew what they were doing. Most of communication was done between monthly meetings and a regular Homeowner did not have access to the phone calls, e-mails, etc.). We noticed that we had luxury extras in our landscape and expensive entrance signs but the BOD refused to give the homeowners access to the financial records (we requested). Next thing you know those who wanted to know the truth about the money, are being "persecuted" for violations with very harsh letters from attorneys...
According to the by-laws HOA BOD needed to credit the money that was reimbursed from special assessment, back to Homeowners. It was not done. HOA BOD President was absolutely rude, uncontrollable and "kept moving forward". Later on we found out that her name was not even on a title. Her husband owned a unit, not her. He owned a unit but they did not live there. Their daughter and her family occupied that unit. Our by-laws clearly state that a Director must be a unit owner. She resigned. With fight, spit and sweat, but she resigned. But what do we do with the money that was overspent? Can Homeowners or a new HOA BOD do anything at this point?

Thank you.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
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Posted By NatalyaR on 06/16/2012 6:29 AM

But what do we do with the money that was overspent?
Can Homeowners or a new HOA BOD do anything at this point?

If the money was spent, you have no money to do anything with.

Since the money an Association has to pay its debts typically only comes from the membership, it's impossible to "repay" money that was spent without first collecting that money from somewhere (i.e. the membership or a reduction in services).

It's unrealistic to place a special assessment on the membership in order to repay the membership.

Typically, recouping money by reducing services is not an option because of the terms in existing contracts and the requirement in the CC&Rs that certain services be provided.

Since the money was used for Association purposes and not personal gain, it's more likely that a court would rule the expenditures as a bad business decision rather than malicious intent. Typically, there are laws to protect volunteer Directors from personal liability for making a bad business decision.

Realistically, I doubt the membership can ever see a return of the money. Therefore the best thing to do is use this issue as an expensive lesson and take steps to make sure it doesn't happen again;

Members should start attending meetings
Boards should make sure decisions are made at Board meetings and recorded in the minutes
The Board might consider posting approved minutes on the Association website (in a secured area for members only).
Existing Board should increase transparency of the Boards actions
etc.

Hope this helps,

Tim
NatalyaR (Alabama)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Thank you, it helps. Sounds like a very expensive lesson to the Homeowners
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Unfortunately the best lessons often are.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BamaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 117
Posted:
As I recall the money was spent with unanimous board approval to repair decks that were failing and some poorly constructed when originally built; to remove 20 year old shrubs and trees that were dead or dying, to replace a a massive wood privacy fence around the pool that was rotten and termite infested and fostered the swimming and vandalism of young children from surrounding apartment housing...with a durable and beautiful metal fence system that virtually stopped the vandalism, trespassing and dangers of young children dying; and installed three little park areas for BBQing with park grills and concrete picnic tables since the insurer no longer allowed individual owners to BBQ on their patios or at their condos; replace chimney caps that had failed again and again and caused perpetual expenses for the HOA to repair interior walls and ceilings; to replace windows in individual units where termites and years of water damage had caused serious rot and mold problems;and install formal entrance markers to reflect the name of the community and display the fact that was/is a private condominium community since most people in the area thought it was "just another Section 8 apartment housing complex". Had the money not been spent on these improvements and the decline continued, individual property owner's property values would have plummeted to half their value. After the improvements, property values increased despite the general market decline. Besides, what good would have it been to return the money then turn around and institute special assessments in the future? I think that board did a great job, as do many other owners in the community. Does all that sound like the money was "squandered"? I think not.
BamaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 117
Posted:
BTW, the money was NOT reserves money, it was NOT savings, and it was NOT operating money.

It was "windfall" money that did not adversely impact the normal operating of the HOA and community.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
All,

This thread is a perfect example of how a persons perception can determine if a boards actions were based on a good decision or a bad decision.

The perception of a member not involved in the decision making sees it as a bad decision because the money from insurance could have offset the special assessment.

The perception of a Director involved in the decision sees it as a good decision because the work needed done and the insurance money was available, because the special assessment paid for the roof repairs.

From my perspective, I see an Association who didn't properly plan to repair the fence, decks, etc. (as a reserve study and properly funded reserves based on the study should have been able to fund these items). Additionally, it appears that the Board needed to better explain the need for the expenditures to the membership (perhaps owning up to the poor planning). Had they better explained the issue, the perception of wrong doing for having a special assessment might have been minimized.

Tim
NatalyaR (Alabama)
Posts: 55
Posted:
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Posted By BamaJ on 06/25/2012 9:40 AM
BTW, the money was NOT reserves money, it was NOT savings, and it was NOT operating money.

It was "windfall" money that did not adversely impact the normal operating of the HOA and community.

Exactly, you put a lien on my property while you were wasting away my money. How clever! Open the By-Laws and read it.
BamaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 117
Posted:
This "I" didn't put anything on your property. The unanimous vote of a seven member Board of Directors and an Attorney put a lien on your property...rightfully so.
NatalyaR (Alabama)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Rightfully so, that President will NEVER get on HOA Board for her past actions and By-Laws non-compliance.
BamaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 117
Posted:
That board member may have more support than you know. I know lots of owners happy with the community improvements. Besides several people (other owners) told me you are not even an owner, just the wife of the owner...is that true?
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
It seems Nayala and Bama have brought their neighborhood bickering to HOATalk forums. Gang, I don't think we're being very helpful in spite of our contribution to the discussion.
NatalyaR (Alabama)
Posts: 55
Posted:
Kelly, you've been helpful. Very helpful. Bama can pour all kinds of dirt behind the backs only, it will be smiles and courtesy in person. He/she (I bet I figured out by now who she is) never showed up at a single monthly meeting for over, how long, Bama? Yet she has a nerve to get on my thread and pour more dirt... How despicable!
BamaJ (Alabama)
Posts: 117
Posted:
LOL...I'm a "HE" so you haven't "figured it out" but nice try. I've been an owner for many years before you and hubby came and have good information from others about community problems, particularly when they are profound and longstanding.

I work all weekday evenings so I could not attend BUT I do get feedback and have heard several say the board meetings are a joke.

And the TRUTH is NEVER "dirt", LOL. No sir'ree! And there are always two sides to every story.

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