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JohnS58 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Currently our developer has several undeveloped lots. For the past couple of years there has been 0 effort to try and sell or develop these lots. They are an eyesore, and I believe they are negatively impact the value of other homes. We do control our HOA; Can we significantly increase our assessment fees on undeveloped lots to "encourage" the developer to take some action?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
It should be spelled out in your CCR's what you can charge undeveloped lots. If you did it and got sued by the lot owners, how would you justify it? Undeveloped lots use no services.
JohnS58 (Missouri)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I think our covenants currently spell out that undeveloped lots aren't charged anything. I guess what I was asking is, since we have the votes to be able to change the covenants, if we chose to do so, could we set the fee for undeveloped lots at something significantly higher that what developed lots pay. Say $10,000 instead of $300.

I see your point on service usage and how would we justify it, but that is where we feel that the state of the lots being undeveloped is negatively impact home values in the neighborhood. Is this not justification enough?
FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
I suspect it would require a very large majority, maybe even 100%, to change the way fees are charged.

> how would you justify it?

If you change the charges according to your rules I don't think you need to justify it.

A better idea would be to set clear standards for how undeveloped lots must be maintained. Mowed grass, whatever, at the cost of the owner.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
John:

Go for it. Undeveloped lots usually exist because the owner has inflated ideas of what the property is worth yet lacks the funds to build on it himself.

I see this all the time in the city where I live because there is no incentive for the owner to do anything. A huge fee for an undeveloped lot will spur the owner to either build on it himself or sell it to someone who will.

The only thing I would worry about is wording so that the lot owner cannot transfer title back and forth between family members to evade the fees. I would suggest a monthly fee that continues until a certificate of occupancy is issued. If you were to extend a grace period for a new owner or suspend the fees while under construction, the owners(s) may find ways to play games. The certificate of occupancy is irrefutable evidence that the lot has been developed.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Another thought: extend the definition of undeveloped to include any lot that cannot be occupied for any reason.

While it is rare, houses do sometimes burn so badly that they must be condemned. It happened to a home around the corner from me. We had to drive past a charred hulk of a house surrounded by chain link fence for months before they cleared it and now there is just a slab with no signs of rebuilding. The owner has no incentive to do anything, so we have an eyesore.

You could have the same problems with a tornado or other weather-related incidents. I don't mean to blame the victims but you may want to include some incentives to clean things up and rebuild within a reasonable time frame.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
You can certainly try what you say... If you did this to me, I would do the following:

Sue/countersue, and during discovery, demand proof that my lots are negatively impacting the value of the houses. Without proof, all we have is conjecture that this lot causes any loss of value. I would also demand proof of loss, ie, who has sold their home for less than X, and so, has actually suffered a loss of real $$? Just because someone thinks their home is worth $100,000 doesn't make it so, and if they are not interested in selling, then the "value" of the home is moot.. a home not for sale has no "sale value". If you go by tax/assessment value, then you will need to provide proof that the assessor factored in the vacant lots. Then, attempt to recoup my legal fees because of the board's malicious intent in legislation/enforcement, or whatever other legal avenue I could.

Read the CC&R's, and see exactly what is required to be "developed"... and what I could get away with. You want a home, I would build a home. Is sheet metal/tin siding forbidden? If not, that's what you will get. Paint schemes? How about Orange, purple, and green dots? You had best make sure your CC&R's are well written, or else I will find every loophole and thing in them that the board cannot enforce/regulate, and drive a truck through it.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Brian,

If enough of the owners vote to amend their CC&R's, the opposing owners have no recourse unless you can prove that there was some violation of law. What you are suggesting is that the courts would prevent a group of homeowners from doing what they may legally do, namely make a decision about their community. You would never get to discovery as your case would be dismissed for failure to state a claim for relief.

FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
> If enough of the owners vote to amend their CC&R's, the opposing owners have no recourse unless you can prove that there was some violation of law.

This is my understanding also.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
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If enough of the owners vote to amend their CC&R's, the opposing owners have no recourse unless you can prove that there was some violation of law.


Not so. A judge can overturn the owners vote. And if you started charging $10,000, its likely that they will.

The legal fees the HOA would spend to defend a case like this would be outrageous. So lets say you have 100 empty lots be 100 different owner, be prepared to defend yourself against 100 different lawsuits. Is this really what your HOA members want to do?

The best scenario I can see is forcing the lot owners to maintain the lots. Mowing it every XX number of days. If it looks like a nice field, or lawn, it will make the neighborhood look nicer with more green space vs just another house.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Steve is correct. A judge can do whatever he/she wants.

True quote, from a seated judge, during a trial I attended, when presented with a copy of the STATE LAW that required him to take the action required by the attorney:

"I don't care what the law says, this is my court, and I will rule my way."

FYI, the ruling, against state law, held. Judges are able to do what they want, period.

plus, my argument was mostly to point out the fallacy of trotting out the (IMO dead horse of) "affecting property value" in order to solve a situation. The OP would be wiser to try some other course of action, rather than that one, that he stands a chance of proving... harboring vermin, harboring weeds, violation of city codes, unsafe conditions existing, etc..
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrianB on 06/15/2012 7:31 AM
Steve is correct. A judge can do whatever he/she wants.

True quote, from a seated judge, during a trial I attended, when presented with a copy of the STATE LAW that required him to take the action required by the attorney:

"I don't care what the law says, this is my court, and I will rule my way."

FYI, the ruling, against state law, held. Judges are able to do what they want, period.

Nice anecdote but lacking any authenticating information such as name of court, date, case number, name of judge. I have yet to read an appellate court opinion upholding a trial court judge who operates the way you describe.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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Posted By SteveM9 on 06/15/2012 5:10 AM
If enough of the owners vote to amend their CC&R's, the opposing owners have no recourse unless you can prove that there was some violation of law.


Not so. A judge can overturn the owners vote. And if you started charging $10,000, its likely that they will.

The legal fees the HOA would spend to defend a case like this would be outrageous. So lets say you have 100 empty lots be 100 different owner, be prepared to defend yourself against 100 different lawsuits. Is this really what your HOA members want to do?

The best scenario I can see is forcing the lot owners to maintain the lots. Mowing it every XX number of days. If it looks like a nice field, or lawn, it will make the neighborhood look nicer with more green space vs just another house.

Not so.

As I understand it, in this case all the vacant lots belong to one person, so there would be one challenge instead of hundreds. The owner of the vacant lots is going to have to put up a minimum of $10,000 just to start his case with no upper limit on how much he will spend with little to no chance of winning. His most effective remedy is to build on his lots or sell them to someone who will. The HOA's insurance will cover their costs of litigation.

Could you provide us with a written opinion from any state court that overturned an HOA amendment simply because an owner did not like the amendment?
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Re: Fred's first reply: if your governing docs (in our case our rules & regs) say that lots must be maintained to certain standards, send violation letters to the owner to maintain them. Call him to hearing if necessary and fine him until he complies. It's possible that your docs may give your HOA the authority to clean them up and bill back the owner.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
This is what I would look at first forget my lawyer is smarter then your when one strongly quoting law here is not a licensed lawyer.

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