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CherylC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 80
Posted:
A resident sued our board (unfortunately the judge threw out the case).
The board used the insurance, Error and Omissions Policy.
There was a $1,000 deductible. Now the board is trying to make this
resident pay the deductible. Can they do this??
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So it had better be worth the cause. This case ALL members will be paying their portion of the deductible bill. It should not be just one member. They should have countersued if they wanted the money. Now they just need to put the bill in the budget. If your HOA can't afford this then a special assessment will need to be done to cover the cost. Which is divided EVENLY amongst ALL members to pay.

Former HOA President
CherylC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 80
Posted:
Thank you. Yes the lawsuit was something that needed to be done.
So are you saying they can't go after the resident for that $1,000?
CherylC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 80
Posted:
Our association will be paying for it, not the board members. They paid an
attorney $5,000 to keep people off the board-using the communities money.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Well, the HOA should have counter sued for the $1000 while the case was in court. Now if they want the money they will have to file their own lawsuit for the $1000 which is dramatically more expensive and no guarantee the judge will award it.

In my opinion, the HOA dropped the ball and missed their chance to get the $1,000 dollars back. Think of it as a learning experience.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Just an fyi, once you make a claim for insurance, especially, Error and Omissions Policy, be prepared for the insurance company to drop you. You will be added to a national database for all other insurance companies to look you up when quoting insurance rates. They will either not quote you, or quote you a very high fee.

Error and Omissions Policy is something you DO NOT want to make a claim against unless you absolutely must. Good luck with dues in the next year and into the future.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
So are you saying they can't go after the resident for that $1,000?


Yes, they can go after the resident. But its a fools errand. But if you have fools running the HOA........
CherylC1 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 80
Posted:
Thanks Steve,
Well that is the type of members that are on our board! One of the board
members suggested that since they volunteer their time they should not have
to pay their assessments. I couldn't believe it. Isn't that why it is
called a volunteer board of directors? I think he shouldn't be on the board
if he doesn't want to volunteer his time.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
The board members ARE members of the HOA so they should be paying their share too with their dues. It does not make them "separate" entities of the HOa. They actually represent the ENTIRE HOA.

I have heard that "excuse the dues" excuse before. Does not make sense in reality. Plus whwn do you know that person is behind in dues or just forgiven? ALL members pay their dues...even the "dead" ones...Just a bit later...

Former HOA President
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Cheryl,

Can the board go after the resident for the $1000? Well, they can try, but it doesn't mean they'll be successful.

1. Is this resident also a homeowner (association member)? Or, it this resident a renter?

2. If they send a bill to the resident, it's not likely the resident will simply pay it.

3. There is likely nothing in your CCRs or bylaws that authorizes the association to levy an assessment against a single resident in this specific case. Thus, there would likely be no grounds to file a lien.

4. That leaves only a lawsuit to force the resident to pay the $1000. As has been pointed out, that will cost more than the $1000 they are seeking. No insurance will cover a lawsuit initiated by the association, so all the up front costs will be borne by the association (which means everyone who is a member). If the association is successful, which is not likely since they dropped the ball when they had the chance, they could seek reimbursement of the expenses for bringing the lawsuit, which may or may not be granted. Too iffy for me, and not worth the cost for all the residents to be out that money for the time it will take to find out.

5. As for board members being exempt from paying dues, some states (Connecticut is one) have laws prohibiting this. Also, it is likely that your CCRs and bylaws do not provide for compensation for directors, and being exempt from paying dues is a form of compensation. Furthermore, if board members (directors) were exempt from dues, the IRS considers that as "barter income" and is subject to taxation, including both income and self-employment tax. By the way, I believe the directors of most corporations serve without compensation.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MelissaP1 on 06/11/2012 6:04 PM
Suing your HOA is suing yourself and your neighbors. So it had better be worth the cause. This case ALL members will be paying their portion of the deductible bill. It should not be just one member. They should have countersued if they wanted the money. Now they just need to put the bill in the budget. If your HOA can't afford this then a special assessment will need to be done to cover the cost. Which is divided EVENLY amongst ALL members to pay.

I agree with Mel. The HOA should have countersued. I do not see how they can collect the $1,000.00 from the plaintiff, so now all association members must share in paying for it.

BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
What is an Errors & Ommissions policy ? Our HOA is being sued when it's said and done does that mean the insurance will be canceled ?
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BB5 on 06/12/2012 9:07 AM
What is an Errors & Ommissions policy ? Our HOA is being sued when it's said and done does that mean the insurance will be canceled ?

D&O Insurance
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
BB5

Professional liability insurance (PLI), also called professional indemnity insurance (PII) but more commonly known as errors & omissions (E&O) in the US, is a form of liability insurance that helps protect professional advice and service providing individuals and companies from bearing the full cost of defending agains a suit.

Typically insurance an HOA has to protect their BOD/Directors.

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Cheryl,

It is not clear from your report whether the judge merely dismissed the complaint or whether he entered a judgment in favor of the association.

In either case, the association should have requested judgment for the deductible while the matter was before the court. If the association failed to do so, it is most likely barred now. Generally, when two parties have more than a single issue in dispute in court, all issues must be raised or they are forever barred. A party gets only "one bite at the apple."

Also, I would question whether there is any legal precedent for a party to be entitled to collect his deductible costs from the other party. Personally, I have never heard of it before.

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