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HelenH2 (Missouri)
Posts: 18
Posted:
Last summer we had someone frequently poop in the pool, on the pool deck and in the boys' bathroom floor. We found out which street he lived on last year but not his name. This year it started again. This last time it occured, we had a person that identified an 8 year old that was there and then left and they know him and know he has bowel issues. He cannot control bowel movements. If we tell him to wear swim diapers - which I don't know if they can get them in 8 year old size - he would then go into the bathroom after his bowel movement and drop the feces in the floor and make a mess changing. Can we ban the boy from the pool?
JM10 (California)
Posts: 503
Posted:
You might consult with health and safety at the state, city or county level and then consult and see how public pools deal with this issue.

State laws and practices should be a guideline for dealing with disabilities and this might or might not be considered a disability.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Have you talked to his parents? It starts at home. If this is a medical condition then the parents should know. Maybe they don't know he's having these sympyoms due to embarrassment on his part. It is a health hazaard to everyone else.

This should be dealt with discretly and with lots of tack. I wouldn't discuss it in front of people in a board meeting. Just a few people involved and a friendly letter. No lawyer stuff. I think everyone would appreciate the approach. Maybe find a friend of theirs to help discuss the issue.

I've had to address a few tactful situations before and discretion works best. Keep the rest of the information in broader terms such as the issue is being addressed and acknowledged if anyone asks. Don't go gossiping. If that isn't enough of an answer then someone is just looking for gossip.

It is NOT up to you to decide the solution. It is up to the parents to decide. Enforcing baby swim diapers is okay for babies and toddlers. It becomes trickier after that as even adults can have this problem. Maybe put up a sign that would include ANYONE with digestive conditions also need to take proper precautions before swimming in the pool. Just to cover everyone.

Former HOA President
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
It is NOT up to you to decide the solution. It is up to the parents to decide. Enforcing baby swim diapers is okay for babies and toddlers. It becomes trickier after that as even adults can have this problem. Maybe put up a sign that would include ANYONE with digestive conditions also need to take proper precautions before swimming in the pool. Just to cover everyone.

It is not OK to have rules specific to age, it is OK to have a blanket rule that encompasses everyone.

Not OK: Children may not ride bikes on the walking paths.

OK: There will be no bike riding on the walking paths.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
DITTO DITTO DITTO

Suggested sign:

<< Any person with intestinal distress or incontinence MUST wear a diaper. >>

then:

provide the appropriate disposal bins in he restrooms
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
public pools (you are probably a class B public pool if you admit member's guests) MUST repeat MUST close the pool and 'shock' disinfect the water after ANY repeat ANY 'fecal incident'

the pool must be closed AT ONCE and can only be reopened by authority of the 'licensed pool operator' of record

a CCTV recording of the pool area may be needed to ascertain exactly who is 'pooping'

ALL repeat ALL ages of users must be treated equally (except for any state regulations governing children alone at the pool)

best of luck

ps. i am the pool liason at a 55+ HOA and we have the same issue except it is with seniors ..... the diaper rule was unpopular until the pool was closed on hot summer days for hours on end ..... close the pool, don't rush to reopen, wait for the 'screams of protest', explain the poop situation, watch the problem 'self-solve'
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Here is our rule on the subject:

"No infant, young child or person subject to involuntary natural bodily functions is permitted to use the pool or spa without proper and effective diaper protection."

As pointed out by others, we may not use age-specific language. Diapers are made in all sizes.

Our schedule of fines, etc., would permit us (the Board) to call the violator (unit owner) of that pool rule to hearing, levy a fine and charge the unit owner for the costs of clean up and repair.

We also don't permit those 14 & younger to use the pool without someone 18 & over in the enclosed pool area. Where, indeed, are this boy's caregivers!!!

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Ps, we do have a way in our Bylaws to suspend units from from using our facilities for repeat violations of a rules or rules. It, too, involves a call to hearing. In this case, we'd deactivate the fob that accesses the pool gates.
MarleneE (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
We are now dealing with the third "fecal incident" in our community pool. I witnessed the "poop" the second time and it was smaller than a dime hard formed ball. In fact I am not sure it was human waste. We were told that the pool must be drained and acid washed. Which of course was not called for.
We were not told the nature of the incident the first and second times. The third time has now occurred and they have decided to let folks know it was fecal and to close the pool for one week. We have heard that one family has had grandkids in the pool immediately proceeding the first two incidents. We are still seeking answers to our questions, meanwhile speculation is that this may be intentional and I thought I would throw this out there to see if others have had similar experiences.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,001
Posted:
if CA pool code is like SC code:

the pool MUST be closed and the water 'shocked'

THEN

tested by the authority having jurisdiction for coliform bacteria, only said authority may reopen
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarleneE on 08/02/2014 9:06 AM

Which of course was not called for.

Doesn't matter if you think it was called for or not. It's a health requirement and your Association did the correct thing by complying with the health laws.

See: CA Swimming Pool Safety Act

See: CA Dept of Public Health Recreational Health Program webpage

See: Fecal Incident Response Recommendations for Pool Staff from the Center for Disease Control

See: RECOMMENDED RESPONSE TO
FECAL ACCIDENTS IN PUBLIC SWIMMING POOLS
from County of San Diego Department of Environmental Health
MarleneE (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Thanks for all the links, however, I cannot find one statement whereby one would acid wash a pool for fecal contamination. Perhaps I missing something? thanks for your reply
EllieD (Vermont)
Posts: 446
Posted:
Mariene,

I am not a pool expert. Why the concern about the acid wash?

AnnH5 (Florida)
Posts: 304
Posted:
It is common practice to shock the pool in such instances.

http://www.cdc.gov/healthywater/pdf/swimming/pools/fecal-incident-response-recommendations.pdf

Although, it is the CDC and they aren't having a good year....I guess we should defer to them.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarleneE on 08/02/2014 1:19 PM
Thanks for all the links, however, I cannot find one statement whereby one would acid wash a pool for fecal contamination. Perhaps I missing something? thanks for your reply

Perhaps its a County or City requirement. For example, from LA County Dept of Health [emphasis added]:

If the pool is using stabilized chlorine or contains cyanuric acid check the cyanuric acid level. If the cyanuric acid level is greater than 50 ppm the pool should be drained and filled with fresh water until the cyanuric acid level is below 50 ppm.

MarleneE (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Hum I did not know you could sign up for this forum and give a false name and State, but apparently you can otherwise I can not figure out how a poster knew my home town? (specific links) Also I can pretty much bet good money on who it is since the tone of "you will do what I say and never question me" is pretty much evident in this post......me I got nothing to hide! just seeking information lol maybe I am missing something here on privacy settings? We are always playing "I got a secret" here part of our big problem. got cha!
MarleneE (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
As a reply to the topic at hand, I believe there may be some misunderstanding on what an Acid Wash is. The dept of health here does not require it in this county. I am still unable to find where it would be warranted unless for cosmetic concerns. To answer the question what is my problem with the Acid wash I have many but I am waiting to see if anonymous comes forward.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Marlene, whichever of the links Tim provided was to your hometown, all we see is a name and a state and while yes some people do give false states, it's silly especially for CA & FL because they have very specific HOA laws. As to Tim's links, it's something you could find yourself with a simple internet search. I was going to suggest you contact your local Health Dept and see what their regulations for fecal matter were. As to the acid wash, could be your pool company was looking to pad their billables. It's easy to say the law requires X, the smart person checks to see if it really does.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MarleneE on 08/02/2014 6:02 PM
Hum I did not know you could sign up for this forum and give a false name and State, but apparently you can otherwise I can not figure out how a poster knew my home town? (specific links)

Marlene,

If you are referring to links I posted, I simply did a google search on CA procedures for fecal incident in pools
and the first sites that show up are the CDC, San Diego County and LA County.

There were other links to other States that also showed up. However, since you are in CA it really didn't make sense to include them.

MarleneE (California)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 08/02/2014 8:42 PM
Marlene, whichever of the links Tim provided was to your hometown, all we see is a name and a state and while yes some people do give false states, it's silly especially for CA & FL because they have very specific HOA laws. As to Tim's links, it's something you could find yourself with a simple internet search. I was going to suggest you contact your local Health Dept and see what their regulations for fecal matter were. As to the acid wash, could be your pool company was looking to pad their billables. It's easy to say the law requires X, the smart person checks to see if it really does.

I have contacted local Department, I have read, Tim all your links and researched this in detail. Acid wash not necessary, we do not have a licensed pool company to my knowledge, we have a Board Member who serves as Maintenance Director who makes all our decisions on the pool and is acting as Treasurer right now as well. I am going to take my questions and concerns to the Board, if they will not give me answers then I will ask that the topic be put on the agenda for next public meeting.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Perhaps you can volunteer to be on pool committee and be part of the decision process.

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