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DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I don't know how to property subject this but I'd like to discuss what is happening in my Condo Assocation community. This is going on for some time now & is getting out of control. Someone puts up a unit for sale & someone else in the community offers them cash but the deal is done with money uder the table/in a suitcase/not reported! Say the condo is listed for $100,000.
This just happened with a condo/villa two doors from mine. Its listed on the Pasco Cty Tax site as selling for $67,000 but the neighbors know the sellers was offered $96,000. and was holding out for more money.

$67,000 gets recorded as the sale. The difference is Cash that the buyer and or the seller or BOTH do not want anyone to know about so it is delivered in a suitcase outside the closing. One particular sale that happened over a year ago, the seller was told to use only the buyer's title company for the closing & $25,000. was delivered to her son in NJ on or around the closing date. The sale was listed for $50,000.

What is happening is our property VALUES are going down to hell. Its bad enough we have lost alot of value the last few years & now some of us who still hold mortgages cannot even re-finance at the new lower rates cause the comps are being screwed up by our neighbors.

Who would you report this to? The IRS? The county clerk? Several condos & villas have been sold this way. The last one being bought by the former President of the Association! I'd love to nail his ass to the wall.

Thanks kindly for any replies!
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
I dont see a crime so far.

Its possible the seller wanted out quick, or the bank foreclosed and sold it to a cash buyer. Could be anything. Seller cant hold out for more money if he is being kicked out by the bank. LOL.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Doris,

This is no HOA board's concern, especially based on what the neighbor says.
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
Doris,

This is no HOA board's concern, especially based on what the neighbor says.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Doris

There are always one offs as in do not fit the normal/standard. Like I am selling my unit but:

1. The units typically sell for $200K but no way my son can qualify for a $200K mortgage so "on paper" I agree to sell it to him for $50K as I am willing to help him.

2. The units typically sell for $200K but my son is a major drug dealer and needs to hide money so "on paper" I ageee to sell it to him for $5 million as I am willing to help him.

Now in the local real estate listing sales listing, identical units in the same builing list one unit sold for $50K and one for $5M.

Which do you believe? Be me the seller or buyer, I can answer the question....LOL

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Add on..as long as they both pay their HOA dues, what do I care?

DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
The Bank DID NOT foreclose! It was an estate sale & the owner turned down $96,000. from another neighbor.
So you DO NOT care if your property Values go down cause on the tax records you house which should be worth $200,000 is now only worth $100,000. if you tried to sell it. Your neighbors are sellin for $100,000 so you can only get $100,000 for your unit when it is worth $200,000.

Buyers look at comps/ what other properties sold for in the area when they offer you a price for your house.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Ahhhh so property is being sold for full price but reported for less to the state so they pay less transfer tax. I guess that would fall on the state dept of revenue. They would be very interested if it was true.
DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
Thanks Steve.
That is EXACTLY what is being done!
The Italians are buying up everything here that way.
They bought my best friend's condo last year & used their own
title company. She sweared me to secretcy.

Then they bought up several more condos & went on to the villas.
Thanks for giving me the heads up. Several of my neighbors want to do something about it.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Doris,

I am curious as to the sources of your information.

You have information from someone who was party to one transaction. While not meaning to sound insulting, your information is second-hand at best and is based on what you think that person said and what you remember from that conversation. Did she provide you with any documents to back up her claims?

What is the source for the rest of your allegations? Why have you not gone to the police or the IRS? What did they tell you?

Housing values have fallen all across the country in the last few years and the sunbelt states have been the hardest hit. I purchased a home in Phoenix last year at market value but I paid about one third what the previous owner paid when he bought at market value four years earlier. $100,000 for a condo you paid twice as much for a few years ago is pretty common these days and has little to do with Italians.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Police? IRS? LOL. I doubt they would even talk to you.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SteveM9 on 05/29/2012 6:21 AM
Police? IRS? LOL. I doubt they would even talk to you.

The OP claims that crimes are being committed. I think the police are in a better position to investigate than anyone on this forum and in a better position to evaluate the OP's credibility.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
The crime is Florida Documentary Stamp Tax evasion. Although it is a crime, it needs to go through the proper channels at the Florida Department of Revenue as they will be charging the person with the crime, not you.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0200-0299/0201/Sections/0201.17.html

Typically people overpay on tax stamps to inflate the value of the property to commit mortgage fraud.
DorisW (Florida)
Posts: 24
Posted:
You Guys are the BEST! But we know there is more to the dirty Deed
than just the Florida Stamp Tax evasion. This guy was running the condos for 8 years & he is on disability & needs to get a part time job.
But all of a sudden he has $98,000 CASH to buy a Villa and only wants to say he bought it for $67,000. We have been suspecting he has been stashing OUR Cash. I'd love for the State to look into his bank account for the $$$ that's never been there & have him prove where he got the funds to buy the Villa. How can be prove it?

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