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TamiT (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
In our complex, historically, all official e-mail and snail mail correspondence has only included owners of record. Spouses or live-in boyfriend and girlfriends were listed on the contact sheet, but not a part of the business or decisions of the HOA, and they did not attend meetings.

A few years ago, two of our long-time owners married each other, and the wife's unit became their residence. The husband maintained his unit as a rental until about six months ago when he sold it.

At that time, those of us on the Board removed him from the e-mail list for owners, as to our knowledge he has not been added to the title of the unit his wife owns. But he appears to have taken over the job of contacting the Board with complaints, comments, or questions for "their" unit as if nothing about his standing in the HOA has changed. His wife has never liked coming to HOA meetings, and he would often represent both of them when they were each owners.

Recently (in dealing with our fumigation nightmare from my previous post) our HOA president e-mailed owners to inquire about preference for a time-frame. When the wife responded she cc'd her husband. When the HOA president replied back, she removed him from the cc. The wife wrote back that she wanted her husband cc'd on all correspondence to her so that they could both have the information.

What do you think, is it appropriate to include an owner's spouse? Should we just say 'ok' and let it go to avoid more conflict and complaints about a dictatorial Board? As we don't believe this man has legal standing with the HOA anymore we certainly would prefer to only deal with the one owner of the unit.

Thank you.

JayP3 (Florida)
Posts: 154
Posted:
Is there an additional cost or effort to 'cc' him?

Sounds petty and quite childish.

JamesS27 (Nevada)
Posts: 6
Posted:
There is also the other side of the coin...The spouse can forward any e-mail recieved from the HOA to her husband.
ThomasD2 (California)
Posts: 208
Posted:
Our CCR's say no email, snail mail or personal delivery only, but we routinely ignore this. If you look at other threads here, email only causes many extra problems. Why do you even have to decide to whom communication is directed? One solution is to direct communication to "HOA member at such and such address." The people living there can decide who gets communication, it isn't really the HOA's concern. You can always add to an email , "please let us know if you need to change emails for an HOA member," and then confirm the email address change. They can decide, and you don't need to get involved. I would never get in the middle of choosing one person or another.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Tami,

We include both in all of our correspondence.

This is because it passes the common sense test. Marriage, living together, etc. tends to be a partnership where the duties of maintaining the household are shared. Therefore, make sure the information goes to both.

If it were legal issues being discussed, I would then limit it to those whose name is on the deed, as they are the legal owners.

TamiT (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Thanks for the opinions, everyone. This was a new one for us, things had just always been done under a certain protocol without complaint, and we were not certain whether we were out of line or not. There had been some disputes with the husband and past Boards when he was an owner, and there was concern that he might not realize a loss of legal status in the HOA, despite still living here.

Tim, your advice of general announcements (trees are being trimmed, workers will be on the roof, etc) including him, but legal matters only going to his wife (the owner) feels right. She can then forward to him.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tami

How far does one go?

Unit owned by hubby and wifey. They have been estranged for many years. They do not even live in the same country.

Anoher couple represents themselves as Mr and Mrs So and So, but if one checks closely, they are not married.

How far does one go?
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Quote:
When the HOA president replied back, she removed him from the cc. The wife wrote back that she wanted her husband cc'd on all correspondence to her so that they could both have the information.


The HOA does not take direction from the wife. If the wife wants to forward the emails to her husband, she is free to do so, but the HOA is under no obligation to CC a list of people.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Our HOA maintains a list of all lot owners and as part of that list, the voting member and their address. We communicate with the voting member.

Example

Lot #1
Address
Owner(s)
Designated Voting Member
Voting Member Address

When the lot is owned by more then one person (hubby/wifey, corporation, etc.) we ask that they designate one person as the voter as there is only one vote per Lot no matter how many own it.

How does one handle a married couple owning the unit but they each ask to be the registered voter?

TamiT (California)
Posts: 20
Posted:
We really appreciate everyone's thoughts.

John -
The wife is the sole legal owner of the unit and the only one with voting rights. The husband sold his unit, and therefore his voting rights. However, he is a personality type that doesn't recognize that he doesn't have a voice in HOA business anymore, so he keeps talking, as it were. We had hoped to avoid to complication and simply correspond with the owner of the unit. However, early opinion on this post seemed to be that we might be turning it into a big deal or being petty. I should clarify that the e-mail thread that the wife added the husband to and the HOA President removed him on the reply was voting member business.

We do have one unit that is jointly owned by a husband and wife, and they are both included in all e-mail notifications, but the husband chooses to simply read his and leaves any reply to his wife on their behalf. In the instance of the couple that prompted my post, the wife is the owner but appears to want her husband to be involved in any e-mail thread that gets going so that he can participate. That is definitely not what we, the Board, want, but we also don't want to start an unnecessary fight with them.

At any rate, John, I like your "designated voting member" label, and I think that is a valid reason to tell her we aren't going to include him if it is HOA business (as opposed to maybe "don't park your cars on the south side of the street Tuesday").

Steve -
It is a miserable fact of life in this complex that about half of our owners (basically the ones NOT on the Board) fully believe that we do indeed take direction from them. Most of the time we feel like we're being talked down to like incompetent employees, I'm afraid.

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