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RobS (Virginia)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hi all,

I am the President of a 470 home association. We run a pool that is staffed by lifeguards. We have been struggling with the best way to handle people checking into the pool. In the past we have tried requiring everyone to show an ID every time. The trouble is, that we allow people 13 and older to come without a parent and they don't have ID's. We don't want to go through the trouble of creating our own photo ID's.

I was thinking maybe we could find software to take photos with a webcam the first time they check-in and only ask for ID then. Anyone using anything like that?

I would appreciate your thoughts.

-Rob Shear
JanM (Texas)
Posts: 142
Posted:
Our system works like this...
Pool passes are sold at the office at the beginning of each summer. The passes have the names of all occupants of each resident and the lot and phase number. These passes are then kept at the pool in an index card fashion. We have a "pool attendant" who then checks the names on the index cards upon entering the pool area. If your name isn't there, you don't get to enter. As far as I know, this system has been used for years and seems to work well. We generally have the same people each year who work at the pool and they know the "usual" customers.
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By RobS on 01/30/2007 11:43 AM

Hi all,

I am the President of a 470 home association. We run a pool that is staffed by lifeguards. We have been struggling with the best way to handle people checking into the pool. In the past we have tried requiring everyone to show an ID every time. The trouble is, that we allow people 13 and older to come without a parent and they don't have ID's. We don't want to go through the trouble of creating our own photo ID's.

I was thinking maybe we could find software to take photos with a webcam the first time they check-in and only ask for ID then. Anyone using anything like that?

I would appreciate your thoughts.

-Rob Shear


You don't need software or a webcam. Just take digital photos and print them. Keep them on file near the entrance.

It wouldn't be that much harder to make photo IDs for each person, laminate them and make them present them for pool entrance. You can charge a reasonable fee if you choose.


Ron
SC
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Rob,

We have an unattended pool, no lifeguards, so we have a security access system. We have one gate to the pool, so we installed a fob access system. Each family is issued a fob with it's individual identity recorded in the computer that controls the system.

The system works pretty well, especially since we also have security cameras to record activities. The fobs only work during the predetermined hours that the pool is "open", so it's pretty much eliminated late night partying. If the cameras record someone who looks very young accessing the pool without a parent, our age for unaccompanied use is 14, we can check the computer to see who's fob was used and send the owner a letter about the child. Same with people bringing their dog to the pool or a dozen friends.

Of course it's not perfect, someone can always give their fob to a friend to access the pool, but that rarely happens.

It's also pretty cost effective. The system cost less than $ 4,000, including the fobs. The fobs are pretty expensive, about $ 8 each, so the fobs cost us more than 50% of the total cost.

Not sure how your pool is set up and if such a system would work for you, but it might be worth checking out. While the cost of labor goes up almost every year, the cost of technology goes down, so it might be a big savings for your HOA.

LuciusD
Posts: 139
Posted:
What does "fob" mean?
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By LuciusD on 02/04/2007 5:38 AM

What does "fob" mean?


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A key fob is a medallion used to identify a key ring or used as a starting place on a ring, frequently given as an advertising item.

A watch fob is a medallion or ornament attached by leather strap or chain to a pocket watch to assist in locating and removing the watch from a pocket in clothing. Some were originally coded or numbered to assist in return to the owner.

A fob is a small pocket in trousers just below the waistline meant to hold a watch, keys, change, etc.

The term is also used when referring to electronic security key devices.

Fob may also be a transitive verb meaning to deceive or cheat someone out of something they would want to do or materially wish for.


Of course, you could have "googled" this yourself just as quickly as I did.


Ron
SC
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
FOB also means Free On Board. That means the supplier of a product is responsible for delivering the product that you purchased to the shipper. You pay for the shipping.

When you order a camera from an online supplier and you're paying for the shipping, the shipping transaction is actually an FOB transaction.

The term is usually used when ording large items that require shipment by truck, ship, train, airplane, etc.
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Lucious,

The way it was explained to me is that the word fob describes the small decorative weight that was attached to the chain of a pocket watch back in the days when men wore vests and kept their pocketwatch in the small vest pocket.

A fob looks like a smaller version of the remote control that you have on your key ring for unlocking the car doors. The fob had no buttons or batteries in it, just a microchip imbedded with information. We have a fob reader attached to the gate at the pool, it's smaller then a pack of cigarettes.

The reader sends out a radio wave to read the information in the fob when someone holds the fob within 12 inches of the reader. If everything is correct, then the reader sends a signal to unlock the gate for 30 seconds so the person can enter.

It works quite well, no moving parts to wear out. If someone losses their fob, it can just be deactivated on the computer so no one else can ever use it. The computer records every access attempt so we would know who used the pool at a particular time if there was a complaint. The access system doesn't allow entry after closing hours so the number of late night parties have dropped a lot. It cost about $ 4,500 for the 400 fobs, a computer, the software and changing the lock to electric from manual, but has been overwhelmingly well received by the membership.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Lucious:

We used fob readers where I work for access to the building. With over 300+ people having them it works very well.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Posted By PatrickH on 02/04/2007 8:14 AM

The reader sends out a radio wave to read the information in the fob when someone holds the fob within 12 inches of the reader. If everything is correct, then the reader sends a signal to unlock the gate for 30 seconds so the person can enter.


Is 30 seconds long enough for everyone? Too long?

We currently have a card-key system that leaves the gate unlatched for something like 90 seconds. Last summer we had a lot of problems with rowdy teenagers from outside of the neighborhood who would hang around the pool and follow somebody else in. We tried to ask people to make sure the gate was latched behind them, but that 90-second timeout was too long for people to wait. We tried to get the timeout shortened, but the company that was servicing the system told us that it couldn't be done. It was really a poorly designed system, so I wouldn't be surprised if what they say is true.

We are in the process of having our pool access/security system replaced, probably with a full computer controlled system as has been described here. One of the questions that has come up is that latch delay. Some feel that if the unlocked time is too short, people with disabilities will have problems with it. If its too long, we'll be back to the old problem with the kids tailgaiting others into the pool. There should be a reasonable middle ground. Maybe a per-user time setting?
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Dwight,

With our system, the fob reader is only about a foot or two from the gate handle, so we haven't had any reports of people not being able to open the gate during the 30 seconds that it is unlocked.

Once the gate closes, it automatically relocks, so the next person can't just open the gate during that 30 second time period. They have to use their fob to open it.

I think that with a new system, you should be able to set the time to as long or short as you want and adjust it if necessary. Whether or not you can set the gate unlock time individually for different owners isn't something I know about, but the software company should be able to tell you.

Good luck

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