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SusanB21 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
I am the secretary of my Florida HOA. In January, we held our annual membership meeting followed by an organizational meeting to elect directors. We did not have a quorum for the annual meeting and we did not reconvene the meeting later.

My question has to do with the meeting minutes. The VP has told me not to prepare meeting minutes for the annual meeting; i.e., treat the meeting as though it never happened, and just prepare meeting minutes for the organizational meeting.

Can someone with more experience than I have tell me what should be recorded in minutes?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Susan,

There need to be minutes of all meetings, irregardless if a quorum was met or not. Minutes typically follow the agenda.

In your case of not having a quorum, the minutes might look like:

{Association Name]
[BOD/General membership] Meeting
{date}

The meeting was held at [location] Present at the opening of the meeting were [name, title of Board members).
President opened the meeting at xx:xx p.m.
A Quorum was not present.
[note of any actions to achieve a quorum].
Once it was determined that a quorum could not be reached, the meeting was adjourned with no business being conducted.
Future Meetings:
mm/dd/yyyy
mm/dd/yyyy
The meeting was adjourned at xx:xx p.m.
Respectfully submitted
Name, title
Attachments: Agenda

Hope this helps

Tim
SusanB21 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Very helpful. Thank you.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanB21 on 05/01/2012 12:42 PM
I am the secretary of my Florida HOA. In January, we held our annual membership meeting followed by an organizational meeting to elect directors. We did not have a quorum for the annual meeting and we did not reconvene the meeting later.

My question has to do with the meeting minutes. The VP has told me not to prepare meeting minutes for the annual meeting; i.e., treat the meeting as though it never happened, and just prepare meeting minutes for the organizational meeting.

Can someone with more experience than I have tell me what should be recorded in minutes?

Minutes should be prepared for all meetings, regardless of whether a quorum is present or not. A meeting did, in fact, take place, as scheduled, except that no business was conducted. The minutes should note the fact that there was no quorum and was adjourned for that reason.

I'm curious, though. Normally, the purpose of an annual meeting of the members is for the election of directors. How, then, were you able to elect directors if no quorum was present? Who attended this organizational meeting and elected directors?
SusanB21 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
We did not elect directors at this meeting. The two vacancies were filled at the next monthly meeting by appointment.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Along with Bruce, Susan, I'm curious too about what occurred at the organizational meeting? This is the meeting where normally the Board elects board officers.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Along with Bruce, Susan, I'm curious too about what occurred at the organizational meeting? This is the meeting where normally the Board elects board officers.
SusanB21 (Florida)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Yes, this meeting was our annual meeting where the two open positions would have been filled by the two candidates running and the membership presumed they would have been elected.

Because we did not know immediately at our annual meeting that we did not have a quorum, we continued with our meeting - approving the previous minutes; the financial review; treasurers report, and we held the organizational meeting where we elected officers to the board.

At the point where it became apparent that we did not have a quorum, the advice I have from this forum is that the meeting minutes should end once it was determined that a quorum could not be reached and that the meeting was then adjourned with no business being conducted.

The advice I've been given so far has really helped me as a new HOA secretary but I still have a question as to how to proceed with the election of officers - should re-election of officers take place at our next open session or should we schedule an organizational meeting prior to our next monthly board of directors meeting?

Thank you to all who have taken the time to respond to my question.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Susan,

It's difficult to say how you should have proceeded because I don't know how your governing documents (CCRs, bylaws) read. What should have been done should have been in accordance with your documents and state law.

Using my own HOA bylaws and judging from previous comments on other topics made by those who post on this site, here is how I think things should have been done:

1. Noting there was no quorum, the annual meeting should have been adjourned. Minutes should be prepared for the adjourned meeting.

2. No "organizational" meeting should have been held. There was nothing to organize since no new directors were elected. The officers from the previous year continue in their positions until the next annual meeting and election of directors.

3. A date, time and place for another annual meeting should be established, allowing for proper notice to all members as required. This could have been done at the original annual meeting when there was no quorum. This is one of the few items of business that are allowed at a meeting where there is no quorum.

4. Notice of the second annual meeting should be sent to all members in accordance with your requirements.

5. In the meantime, before the second annual meeting, steps should be taken to insure a quorum for the second meeting. Canvass your community and stress the importance of attending what should be a short annual meeting to elect directors. Alternatively, if your state laws and bylaws allow for proxies, obtain proxies from those members who are unable or unwilling to take the time to attend the meeting in person. Generally, proxies are included along with members who are physically present for the purpose of obtaining a quorum.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:

"2. No "organizational" meeting should have been held. There was nothing to organize since no new directors were elected. The officers from the previous year continue in their positions until the next annual meeting and election of directors."

This statement is not necessarily true.

If the meeting announcementand/or agenda called for a [second] meeting to follow the annual meeting for the purpose of "organization" than it can be called to order.

Just because no election took place does not mean the BoD can't reorganize and adjust officer's positions. In fact they can do this at ANY meeting when on the agenda.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
"3. A date, time and place for another annual meeting should be established, allowing for proper notice to all members as required. This could have been done at the original annual meeting when there was no quorum. This is one of the few items of business that are allowed at a meeting where there is no quorum."

There's no Fl. statute requiring a second annual meeting to be held. Officers who did not wish to be re-elected my vacate and the remaining BoD can appoint to fill the vacancies.

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