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RebeccaB3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
I am in a South Carolina residential community of about 60 completed homes and 75 lots where the president of our Board often publicly calls out certain homeowners that she does not like and makes derogatory or mean spirited comments about them. Most of the time it is childish, rude behavior and for the most part residents ignore it rather than give it credence by responding to it. However, yesterday, the POA Board President went too far and published some personal information of homeowners to the entire neighborhood. The owners whose information was published have been advised by the police department that they can each file a harassment complaint agains the POA Board President and the police also suggested a civil complaint as well. The issue is that the POA President continually violates the POA documents and is supported by the Declarant who is still in the community. They cancelled the D&O insurance allegedly to save homeowners money and the homeowners are not happy with the idea of suing themselves.

We are looking for some suggestions on how to address this situation without litigation. Has anyone on the forum experienced a situation like this or have any ideas on how to respond? The homeowners are mostly older, retired people without a lot of money at their disposal.

Thanks for any ideas or suggestions.
CrystalK1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
Publishing personal information about a member is a pretty egregious act, to be honest.

I suggest the president apologize publicly right away, and hope that the member accepts the apology. If there is a way to convene a board meeting to address what seems to be misconduct on the part of the president, do so. The board could discuss ethics and decorum in general terms, and try to come to an agreement about board behavior.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Drop the HOA protection...Meaning STOP confusing the individual act over the acts of a HOA member. There is a difference. Hold this person responsible on an individual basis with each person responsible for taking their own legal actions. Thiis send a message and NOT bring the HOA into litigation as a whole. It is the sum of all parts theory...

Former HOA President
RebeccaB3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Thank you for your good advice. It is always difficult to see the big picture when emotions are running high.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
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Posted By RebeccaB3 on 04/26/2012 8:01 AM
However, yesterday, the POA Board President went too far and published some personal information of homeowners to the entire neighborhood.

Without going into too much detail, can you give us some idea of what this personal information was? There is a wide range of information that some people would consider personal. Some people feel violated when their name and address is made known, even though it may be available from public records. At the other end of the scale is information such as SSN, birthdates, children's names and ages, medical information, and bank account numbers. In between might be information such as who has not paid their assessments or who has been accused of violating the covenants.

I assume that your president is appointed or elected by the board. Since the rest of the board seems to tolerate the president's behavior, thus ratifying it, you may need to rattle their cages. If several owners pool their resources, they could apply for an injunction with the courts, naming the president and the individual board members as defendants. There are few things in life more humiliating than having a process server show up at your front door and, in front of your entire family, hand you a civil summons and complaint. (Johnny will have quite a story for his classmates!) The rest of the board members will quickly dump the president once they realize the costs to their personal reputations.
RebeccaB3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Larry,

The information published was pictures of homeowner vehicles with arrows pointing to their license numbers and a statement to the effect that the security camera system was collecting this information because the homeowner did not voluntarily provide it. Homeowners did not provide that information for several reasons:

1. It is not required under the community documents.
2. No vote was held to implement providing the information as a requirement.
3. Homeowners do not trust the POA Board President to keep their personal information confidential.
4. Homeowners would like the police to speak with them if a criminal act occurs when their vehicles enter/exit the community as their vehicle could have been stolen or they could be unknowing witnesses to criminal activity.
5. the POA Board President has a history of being rude and publicly making derogatory comments about homeowners
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
well, your license plate certainly isn't private information, so publishing a picture of it, even with the name of who owns the vehicle, isn't a violation of privacy. That's public information, available in a state database, or simply by observation.

so, a picture of my truck, license plate, and an arrow is not violating any of my privacy rights, if I ever drove my truck on a public roadway (or, on a private road shared with the person who took the picture).
RebeccaB3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 16
Posted:
BrianB,

Actually that is not the case in South Carolina. Vehicle information is considered private and only available under law for the following purposes:

For use by any government agency in carrying out its functions.
For business to verify the accuracy of personal information given to that business or its agents by an individual.
For use in connection with any court proceeding or investigation in anticipation of litigation.
For use in research activities and in producing statistical reports, so long as the personal information is not
published, redisclosed, or used to contact individuals. (NOTE: Requests in this category will not be done in branch offices. See "Caution about Research and Statistical Requests" on the second page.)
For use by an insurer for claims investigation, rating or underwriting.
For use by any customer, if the customer has the written consent of the individual to whom the information pertains.

This information was collected by a community security camera and distributed with the intent to harass and embarrass residents. The police agree that it is not a legal use and have advised as to the appropriate administrative complaint procedure.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RebeccaB3 on 04/26/2012 1:01 PM
The information published was pictures of homeowner vehicles with arrows pointing to their license numbers and a statement to the effect that the security camera system was collecting this information because the homeowner did not voluntarily provide it.

I guess I am not getting this one.

What was it that the president hoped to achieve by publishing these photos? I can see no useful reason for doing so.

Even if there was no good reason to publish the photos, how were persons harmed by taking photos of their cars and license plates? The average person is photographed dozens of times a day by security cameras. While it is certainly odd to publish such photos there is no expectation of privacy driving down a street.

Did the president publish the names and addresses of the owners of these cars? If she did, then I think there is a legitimate question as to where that information came from. You have indicated that public policy in SC is to limit registration information.

I am not sure how it would play out if the president took a photo of your car, found your car parked in front of your home, and published a photo that said "This is Rebecca's car and her address is 1234 Main." I would think that might be stalking.
SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
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Actually that is not the case in South Carolina. Vehicle information is considered private and only available under law for the following purposes


Taking a photo of a car is not "vehicle information". Your twisting the words of the law to meet your argument. This would never hold up in court. As for the POA presidents actions, they may be annoying, undesirable, but not illegal.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Rebecca, I'm not sure from your post whether the Declarant is still in charge or is simply a member of the community while he tries to sell his remaining lots. If he is in charge and she is his appointment there is little to do unless the people want to waste their time and money suing over this "egregious" act. I'm not quite sure what their damages would be, I'm assuming only the residents get the newsletter, so they got information they could get just by watching the comings and goings of their neighbors.

Now if the homeowners are in control and assuming the Declarant doesn't have the votes to keep her on the Board you could recall her or appeal to the other Board members to remover her as president and make her something innocuous like Member at Large.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RebeccaB3 on 04/26/2012 3:57 PM
BrianB,

Actually that is not the case in South Carolina. Vehicle information is considered private and only available under law for the following purposes:

For use by any government agency in carrying out its functions.
For business to verify the accuracy of personal information given to that business or its agents by an individual.
For use in connection with any court proceeding or investigation in anticipation of litigation.
For use in research activities and in producing statistical reports, so long as the personal information is not
published, redisclosed, or used to contact individuals. (NOTE: Requests in this category will not be done in branch offices. See "Caution about Research and Statistical Requests" on the second page.)
For use by an insurer for claims investigation, rating or underwriting.
For use by any customer, if the customer has the written consent of the individual to whom the information pertains.

This information was collected by a community security camera and distributed with the intent to harass and embarrass residents. The police agree that it is not a legal use and have advised as to the appropriate administrative complaint procedure.

First, read that law, and the scope of that law. I bet it defines "vehicle information" differently than "a license plate".

Second, Where I in the HOA, I would simply claim privilege under item 2, or perhaps 3. Simple to bypass it that way.

Third, there is no way in heck that any court would uphold that a car license place, publicly displayed (in fact, required by law to be publicly displayed in a place of prominence) is "private". The entire point of a license plate is to pass on information to the general public. There is nothing illegal about taking a picture of a license plate on a vehicle parked on a public street, way, in a general public parking lot, operating on a public road or throughway.

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
There was a method used by the "Right to Life" people who would sit outside of abortion clinics and take pictures of cars the women leaving in car tags. They would then post them up with tags such as "Murderer" and such. It was a form of harrassment. Hence why a law may have been passed in some areas or states in regards to this activity. Otherwise, this would NOT be considered an illegal act and people could continue such activity. NOT supporting either view on the "life" issue here. Just pointing out that indeed publishing one's license plate can be a form of harrassment.

Former HOA President
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Melissa, almost anything can be harassment if carried to a point.

the OP question was about Private information. A license plate is not private, it is displayed (usually) in a public place, openly. Photographing a license is not a violation of privacy rights. Even publishing a photo of a license plate is not.

Now, if you publish the license plate picture and a statement that the owner is a dog beating wife shooter, that could be libel, slander, harassment, etc.. But it is still not a violation of their right to privacy.

CrystalK1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 30
Posted:
One important consideration, apart from the other good points that have been made, is that board members have a duty to treat all members equally, and to be dispassionate in their dealings about HOA matters.

Any trustee action that seems emotional or to unfairly single out a member, can be construed as harassment. Our HOA insurance agent warns us all the time that boards must treat all members uniformly and fairly, and must not give the appearance of favoritism or negatively singling out.

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