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RichM2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I have been a board member for 16 months and last January we added two new board members to our board for a total of 6 board members. None of board members have been elected. In fact these were the only 2 homeowners that requested to fill the 2 empty board positions. Frankly, in January 2012, out of 244 homeowners, only 30 homeowners voted. So all of us just roll over year after year. Unfortunately since these 2 board members have been on the board they have been disruptive both in conversation, tone and especially via emails. They refuse to listen and although there are no intonations with emails they seem to relish chaos rather than thoughtful conversation. One new member used to be our landscape contractor and lost his contract because he was outbidded and resolve to apply to fill an empty seat on the board. He tends to be the most disruptive saying things that are not true and also off the cuff. I have tried to make these new board members aware that in Florida under the sunshine laws all our board member emails can be requested by a homeowner in our HOA. So they should keep their thoughts and comments to the facts and not attack other board members, homeowners or contractors. This particular board member has attacked our new landscape contractor since he got on the board and his contract had not ended yet. I am trying to focus the board on a code of ethics and code of conduct for which I had every board member sign it voluntarily. In it I wrote about keeping a professional discussion etc. But these two members, one more than the other keep violating this letter. The letter has no binding effect other than to remind every board member we are just volunteers trying to do a service for our community. Obviously this new board (ex landscape contractor) is upset about the lost of his contract. But I find it disingenuous of him to remark negatively about the new guy when his Lawn service resulted in the need for a new and less expensive contractor. Some of the board members are not confrontational but I am getting to the point where I may say something I will regret. I support any homeowner to be on our board but I feel that they have another agenda. What can I say or do to change this situation other then quitting the board?
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think it's a forrest for the trees situation...Stop focusing on the distractions and concentrate on the business at hand. People are NOT blind unless they choose NOT to see. It is pretty obvious your ex lawncare guy is going to be disgruntle. I am sure others see that too. The other guy people will see them for what they are. So why keep concerning yourself over them? Your NOT protecting anybody. Everyone owns a rope...You can hang yourself with it or play tug of war...I'd choose letting those who want to hang to do it to themselves...

I fired our lawncare guy. He was given a chance to bid on the job. He was a bit disgruntle about it for awhile. The members were unhappy with him and pleased we replaced him. However, still had to hear it once and awhile his complaints about the "New" guy. Just listen, nod, and walk away...People understood the situation and this was just a venting situation. Nothing to focus on.

Former HOA President
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Two members on a board of 6 can do nothing by themselves. Build a strong coalition with the 3 other board members and you will be able to conduct the association's business (including the landscape contract) as you feel best. You can let the two disruptive members have their say, then put it to a vote and move on.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
David gives good advice, Rich. If the 4 of you conduct yourselves properly and treat all with respect at meetings, you may be able to neutralize the disrupters. You 4 also can keep the two out of officers positions. Do you have a property mgr. who can help?

But, it's not clear to me: Do they disrupt meetings? Do the nasty emails just go to the board? Or are these two spreading rumors throughout your HOA?

Btw, there have been many threads about the wisdom of hiring homeowners as contractors for the HOA. Rich's experience shows how very badly such an arrangement can turn out!
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
What can I say or do to change this situation other then quitting the board?

Did you ever stop to consider that this might just be what the two are looking for? Since you only have six on the Board if they can get a say on your replacement then suddenly it goes from four vs two to perhaps three to three. The president should control the meetings and gavel down ANYONE who gets out of line or is disruptive.

That doesn't mean that just because you don't agree with how they conduct themselves that they are necessarily always wrong either. Don't let your perceptions of them color your view.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RichM2 (Florida)
Posts: 3
Posted:
All the responses so far have been great and I agree with all of them. I continue to try to maintain a professional point of view and listen to all perspectives of our board members. My hope is over time this venomous environment will diminish and these two individuals will take a more respectful approach. Unfortunately for me we have two older board members who have been on the board for as much as a decade and neither likes confrontation so they keep their opinions to themselves and neither speaks up during these attacks. Then we have the president who is trying hard but is overwhelmed by the negative comments mostly directed in a personal way at her and then there is me. I can feel that these attacks are personal in nature and nothing seems to deter them. I am kind of a process and procedures (SOP) person having to do this in the military for over 30 years. I can be direct, harsh and to the point and my wife who advises me on this states that is not the right approach to take with these two individuals. So I continue to march on biting my tongue and trying to insert reason in a storm of personal attacks, innuendos and bullying. I was asked by my wife if I wanted to be President of the board and my answer was no. My reasoning is simple. I am direct, respectful and apply the rules with a common sense approach and this board would not accept that at this point. I have instituted a code of conduct letter, code of ethics, and a process for a Beautification award and write the newsletter for the community. We instituted park benches, aerators for the health of our lakes and reviewed the bidding of our contracts and actually saved our community tens of thousands of dollars. Additionally we sat down and actually wrote a budget, rather than have our manager throw numbers on a sheet of paper in the past, and came up with class one project. All within my first 12 months. And quite frankly I believe if you stay on a board for almost a decade or even as long as I have been, you become infected and numb and nothing gets done. So new blood in my opinion is always required on these boards but our community has a hands-off approach attitude and I may have already overstayed my welcome. But to see how much we accomplished last year and now going into our 5th month this year where nothing has been accomplished is exasperating. But the responses are correct and I do appreciate them.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I think your wife is right..You should run for President. It could resolve your issue in many ways. I have a feeling you won President these two would drop out. Keep in mind it is also ELECTED positions that make it to the board. Meaning people may NOT be running because they don't want to deal with these people. You show up and change the view, then others may stand up and join. I always go by the "Bigger fish theory" as there is always one...Be the bigger fish until you get swallowed and hope the smaller fish inside the belly are plentifull and taste good...

Many of us have been there on this forum and beyond...So feel free to vent if you need to..We understand and appreciate the company...;)

Former HOA President

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