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StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
In preparing an HOA budget can a board prepare the budget anyway they want to per Florida Statute 720 when their documents and a court order states that assessments have to be charged a certain way.
What takes presentient Statute 720 or the court order and the HOA documents.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
IMH and not legal opinion - The Court Order. Defy a judge and you can go to jail.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By StephenC1 on 04/19/2012 4:36 AM
In preparing an HOA budget can a board prepare the budget anyway they want to per Florida Statute 720 when their documents and a court order states that assessments have to be charged a certain way.
What takes presentient Statute 720 or the court order and the HOA documents.


Was this court order you refer to placed on your HOA?

LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
Posted:
If the courts have ordered your HOA to levy assessments in some particular manner, then do so.

There is the presumption that any court order complies with state and federal laws and noncompliance would be grounds for reversal on appeal. If that court order conflicts with the CC&R's my first guess would be that the court found that at least a part of the CC&R's did not comply with state law.

On the other hand, if the court order is not directed against your HOA you can ignore it, but I would suggest consulting an attorney for the final word.

In re-reading your original post, it appears that the court order addressed your income (assessments) and that what you are really asking is how you may spend it.

My thought would be that if expenditures were not at issue in the court proceeding then the order would not apply to how you spend the money. I am not familiar with the statutes you cite, but generally a board of directors has almost absolute discretion in how to spend its funds on behalf of the association. Your CC&R's and/or bylaws may, however, require that you make certain expenditures, such as liability insurance.

Since it appears that your HOA has been to court and most likely has an attorney, I would advise posing your question to your attorney.
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I want to thank everyone for your comments. The court order was against the HOA and was made part of the HOA documents, it stated that in the settlement/court order. However the board felt that the Florida Statue says they can do what ever they want when preparing the budget. Even though they had agreed to the settlement 6 months earlier.

What are your thoughts and what does it mean on the comment below where it states "(if such opening does not coincide with the fiscal budget year)".

To the extent that these assessments are insufficient to cover the budgeted or actual expenses relative to the operation, management or maintenance of the club area facilities during the initial partial year of operations (if such opening does not coincide with the fiscal budget year), MFS shall pay any deficit incurred during this period.

MFS is the builder that's finishing building a started club house when the initial builder went under.

Lets say the club house is being completed in three phases and after each phase is completed the assessments would be $21 a month for Phase 1, $47 a month for Phases 1 & 2 and $75 a month for Phases 1 & 2 & 3.

All these phases are not completed at the same time or date. Phase 1 was completed Oct 1, 2011 and Phase 2 was completed Mar 15, 2012. Phase 3 is not completed yet and the est completion date is by the end of this year.

The HOA budget was prepared in Oct 2011 for Facial year budget 2012. So when the budget was done the only phase completed at that time was phase 1. How do you complete the 2012 budget with the above facts. Would you just budget for Phase 1 in Oct 2011 for the Facial year 2012 budget, since the other 2 phases weren't completed yet?
Would you start charging for phase 2 with phase 1 when it is done in March 15th 2012 and recast a new budget or wait until the next budget is completed for 2013 is done in Oct 2012 to start charging for phases 1 & 2. And the difference would be paid by deficit funding by MFS builder.

Should the budget for 2012 just include Phase 1 and MFS pay for phase 2 by deficit funding for the rest of 2012.

Thanks,

Stephen

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Steven,

I'm confused, was this a settlement or a court order? They are two different things.

If it was a court order, then a letter to the court indicating that it appears the Association is violating a court order may clear up the issue.

If it was a settlement (the two parties and an arbitrator), then basically what happened (as I understand it) was the two parties entered into a contract to resolve the issue. If one side isn't abiding by that contract, then the other party has to start the issue over again and take it to the courts.

Tim
StephenC1 (Florida)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Tim,
This was a settlement agreement with a court ordered mediator and it was signed by the Judge that ordered the mediation. The attorneys involved also referred to this also as a court order.
It is being taken back to court for enforcement.
Thanks,
Stephen
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
I am confused as well as to who is writing these rules? Meaning to say is your HOA under the builder/developer control? You mentioned one going under and a new one stepping in to finish up the final phase? Why then as a homeowner/member are you/HOA writing this up in your rules considering the HOA does NOT yet belong to the owners?
The court order is against who exactly and brought up by who? Mediation doesn't always go back to court. It can go back to mediation instead as SOME mediations are set up NOT to ever go to a court room. It is unclear to me who the attorneys are involved in representing who in these negotiations.
A budget of a HOA is usually set up by dividing the number of TOTAL UNITS by the OVERALL expenses of the HOA. This can include contributing to the reserves fund as well. A HOA is a non profit in most cases so it is to spend as much as it gets in plus some reserves. It is NOT a charitable non profit so do NOT confuse the two by "bake sales" or donations. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members and FOR it's members. Thus only approved assessment amounts or special assessments are used to collect funds for it. Which includes ALL the ownrs/members chipping into any legal costs your member ran HOA decides to get itself into...

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