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BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
Last fall I reached a verbal contract with the Pres. to pay a "special assessment" in monthly installments which I have done as agreed. Last month without my permission they applied funds they owed me to this "special assessment" can they change an agreement as long as I am paying as agreed ?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Posted By BB5 on 04/04/2012 12:43 PM
Last fall I reached a verbal contract with the Pres. to pay a "special assessment" in monthly installments which I have done as agreed. Last month without my permission they applied funds they owed me to this "special assessment" can they change an agreement as long as I am paying as agreed ?

Yes they can obviously since they have done it. But may they do this? It depends on the terms of the agreement. Too bad that you do not have a written agreement. All you can do now is ask to be paid for your separate amount owed to you by the HOA and hope they comply.
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
Oral contracts can be legally binding; however, the issue is proving that the agreement was made by both sides.

If you did in fact have an oral contract with the President (assuming that the President was authorized to make such a deal), and the President confirms the contract, then the funds owed to you should be returned and your agree-upon monthly installments should continue.

If the President does not confirm the agreement, then you're in a tough spot. You'll either just have to suck it up or spend whatever time, effort, and money you wish to spend to try and prove your case in court.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Here is the problem, it is an oral agreement and if and when it got to court will be he said/she said...At this point if I were in your shoes i would do what I can to do damage control and get it written down.
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:

I have received a receipt each month indicating the amount paid how much is still owed and what it was for wouldn't this indicate there is a contract?
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
Posted:
BB5, unless this receipt indicates the agreed-to terms, it's tough to say if that would suffice to prove there is an agreement/contract. If it simply indicates a balance owed, that to me would suggest that what they did to completly recoup the balance was justified and reasonable.

You'd definitely need to get the President to vouch for you to really stand any chance of proving your point and getting your money back.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
BB5

For what reason did the BOD owe you the money they deducted from what you owed them?

Thanks
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
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Posted By BB5 on 04/05/2012 7:47 AM

I have received a receipt each month indicating the amount paid how much is still owed and what it was for wouldn't this indicate there is a contract?

Not necessarily...
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Verbal contracts aren't worth the paper they're written on.
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
I am not the only HO they agreed to accept payments from they went as far as to send them SASE's to make their payments.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
It may very well depend on what your governing documents (which includes resolutions) specify.

For example: Our Association has a written resolution that specifies how any funds will be applied. Within this document, it specifies that any extra funds from regular assessments will be applied to Special assessments (and vise versa). Therefore, you may need to check your governing documents.

On the bright side, you have less to pay on your Special Assessment.

BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
There is nothing in our Doc's that addresses how payments will be applied. And if I had $1,725.00 to hand over I wouldn't have made an agreement for payments which was their suggestion "If you can't pay it all at once please make payments"
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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BB:

You say that they owe you money. Yet looking at it from their perspective, you still have a balance due:

Regular Assessment: 100
Special Assessment: +500
Payment: -300
Balance due: $300

If you overpaid the regular assessment amount due, any creditor would usually apply the overpayment to any unpaid balance.

Your seeing the Regular and special assessment as two accounts.
I suspect your Association is seeing it as one large amount due.

Question's (if you don't mind answering):

How much of an overpayment are you talking about ?
How did the overpayment happen that you were not aware of it when you made the payment?
Have you asked for a refund of the regular assessment overpayment?
If you did, what was their response?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Tim

I agree. My experience says, an overpayment (refund) on an account gets credited to ones account, especially if they owe money. The IRS works that way....LOL

Recently had an issue with AMEX. My account was charged with a charge that I disputed. I called AMEX and they cancelled the charge. Thye gave me a new (lower) amount to settle my account. I forgot about the new (lower) amount and paid the original billed amount. They credited my account with the difference (overage) versus reimburse me. Not an issue to me.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
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BB5

When people get "behind" the question becomes is are they trying to beat me out of what they owe or are they struggling?

Those struggling try their best to reach an agreement.

Deadbeats always have an excuse even in the best of times.

Sometimes the line is razor thin.

My HOA has 5 (out of 113) homeowners that are serously (9 months) behind in their dues. We have recently talked to a law firm/collection agency about what we can do. Bottom line is we have sent one more personal letter to each of the homeowners outlining what the law/collection firm will do (upto and including foreclosure) and asking them to contact us to attempt to settle this issue before we turn it over to that firm.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
The officers do not live here. Pres. came down agreed to hire contractor to do some work. I forwarded the bill to Pres. Contractor called me he had not been paid I called Pres. who agreed to pay me in 30 days if I would go ahead and pay the contractor which I did. (I am not an officer or on board)just tried to do the right thing the contractor needed his money and was to have been paid upon completion.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
BB,

I agree that that money should have been refunded.

I also believe that it wasn't your responsibility to pay the contractor unless you hired the contractor. That was the responsibility of the Association and not yours personally.

My advice:

1) Let this issue go, as you would have given them the money anyway for the special assessment.
2) Don't assume a debt that isn't yours. It was the contractors and the Associations issue not yours.

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
BB5

So according to you, the President of the BOD has screwed you twice.

Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

Tough love here.

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