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MarkS25 (Maryland)
Posts: 2
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I am on the safety committee here in MD and speeding is one problem we wuld like to address, as well as the fact that many vehicles pass stop signs as if they were not there at all, or just slow down and keep going. We have the speed limit posted, and tried speed bumps, but the local fire department/rescue squad asked to have them removed as they claim they damage their vehicles.

Anyway, has anyone tried using the flashing speed limit signs, you know, the ones that give you your spee when you approach, and if so, have they been effective.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By MarkS25 on 04/04/2012 8:50 AM
I am on the safety committee here in MD and speeding is one problem we wuld like to address, as well as the fact that many vehicles pass stop signs as if they were not there at all, or just slow down and keep going. We have the speed limit posted, and tried speed bumps, but the local fire department/rescue squad asked to have them removed as they claim they damage their vehicles.

Anyway, has anyone tried using the flashing speed limit signs, you know, the ones that give you your spee when you approach, and if so, have they been effective.

Maybe when the police uses them, they might be. Otherwise, IMO, not likely.
PeterD3 (Florida)
Posts: 708
Posted:
No sign of any kind will change peoples tendencies. It's the same everywhere. They don't stop because they have no fear of a ticket or other financial penalty.
PaulM18 (Virginia)
Posts: 46
Posted:
I've seen these signs...

I'm also curious.. There is on the main street here that has actually gotten traffic to slow down to the speed limit...

Not sure if it would help or not... But I know we have lots of folks that would like to see one...

Depending on cost hehehe Not sure if you can even buy these if your not law enforcement...

Paul
ND (PA)
Posts: 792
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I saw one of these the other day. The flashing speed sign was attached to the standard "25 mph" speed limit sign and was actually smaller than the speed limit sign itself. It was pretty neat.

I'll be honest though, and as immature and childish as this sounds . . . there wasn't a person or cop in sight, so my goal when passing this sign was to see how fast I could go.

So . . . it didn't work on me.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Posted By ND on 04/04/2012 11:35 AM

I'll be honest though, and as immature and childish as this sounds . . . there wasn't a person or cop in sight, so my goal when passing this sign was to see how fast I could go.

So . . . it didn't work on me.

And that would be the unintended consequence of installing such a sign.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Mark

One HOA I lived in had speed signs that said 24MPH (yes 24). Management company said that the different amount (24) made people look at the sign, then look at their speed and slow down to it. An attention grabber. It seemed to work.

KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
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JohnC46 has a good idea about the "odd" speed limit signs for private streets. I've seen them set at 18 mph, in fact.

However, if people are ignoring red stop signs, that's blatant disregard as opposed to oversight - which often is the cause of speeding (you aren't paying attention).

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mark

honestly the only way you can get folks to slow down is to have the police run radar every so often. I don't know about your municipality but a lot of forces have a speed trailer that they set out and collects data and lets them know if it is a problem. Our city has a program where a citizen can get trained with a radar gun, run speeds and write down plates and the police will send the offender a warning letter. In reality all the other stuff is just gimicks that really don't work.
LarryB13 (Arizona)
Posts: 4,099
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The City of Phoenix, AZ, has employed a limited number of traffic-slowing devices that work without speed bumps or electronic devices. I have driven through three of them and they do work quite well.

I am including links to photos taken from Google Earth of three of these devices.

The first one was created by installing flexible posts in such a way as to cause a driver to first move to his left and then to his right. The other two use curbing to force the driver around the device. In all three cases the driver must slow down to a reasonable speed to negotiate the devices. The lane width in all three devices allows commercial vehicles and fire trucks to pass without problem.

The effects of these devices could be achieved by placing large planters strategically in the roadway.

Low-budget device using posts

Single device using curbing

Double device using curbing

The first device is located in North Phoenix on 38th Street just south of Sweetwater. The other two are located in East Phoenix on 48th Street between Thomas and Indian School.
DennisB8 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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Flashing speed limit signs are a waste of time - the only thing that works are fines/tickets - Our HOA has private streets - the police will not ticket in our community - We're going to hire private security guards & give tickets for speeding & not stopping at
stop signs
Dennis
Port St. Lucie, FL
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By DennisB8 on 04/06/2012 8:28 PM
Flashing speed limit signs are a waste of time - the only thing that works are fines/tickets - Our HOA has private streets - the police will not ticket in our community - We're going to hire private security guards & give tickets for speeding & not stopping at
stop signs
Dennis
Port St. Lucie, FL

And how do you plan to enforce the penalties, if any, associated with the tickets? Furthermore, private security officers do not have police powers.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
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Bruce,

I guess that a resolution and/or an amendment to the covenants (which every is necessary) would have to be developed to require members to stop and provide information to the private security. Of course this wouldn't apply to anyone who is not a member, tenant or guest of a member/tenant. However, most individuals wouldn't push that issue as we are conditioned to stop or give the right of way for any vehicle that uses flashing lights.
DennisB8 (Florida)
Posts: 7
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Our documents provide for fines for specific traffic violations - speeding above posted speed limit & failure to stop at a stop sign. Violators will be fined and have the right to appeal at a fining committee hearing. The security guards will only get the vehicle ID and provide the info to our management company to send a violation letter.
JeffR7 (California)
Posts: 251
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What kind of evidence would you be able to produce to enforce the ticket? Will your security guards use properly calibrated radars? Will their speedometers be calibrated on a regular basis by a certified authority. I don't think you'll ever be able to enforce any of these violations and if it ends up in court you'll lose.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Posted By TimB4 on 04/07/2012 5:38 AM
However, most individuals wouldn't push that issue as we are conditioned to stop or give the right of way for any vehicle that uses flashing lights.

Your experience is different than mine as I have seen more people not so conditioned than I would like to believe.
LawrenceC1 (Georgia)
Posts: 480
Posted:
Mark,

Our Association looked into radar speed displays for our neighborhood. We have much the same problem as you describe in your community.

Our research indicated that these signs were very effective. In a 2007 survey of police officers and safety experts, radar speed displays (when compared with speed bumps, rumble strips or other commonly used methods) were ranked No. 1 for having the most immediate and long-lasting effect on calming traffic. ("Traffic Calming Solutions A Survey of Safety Professionals" 2007)

The local police department said we could deploy the device so long as it was not in the roadway, but up on the curb or the sidewalk.

The idea is not to cite drivers who exceed the speed limit. As another post indicated, the homeowners' association does not have that authority. But what you will find is that the large majority of speeders are residents or commercial vehicles driven by people who aren't aware of how fast they are going.

We are currently saving up to buy a device that is mounted on a wheeled trailer so we can reposition the device as needed.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Lawrence,

Interesting reading. I did note that they only asked those personnel who were involved with design and enforcement rather than joe public. I wonder if the survey was taken with a wider group and in larger numbers if the results would differ.

Again, good reading. Thanks for posting.

Tim

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