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RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Our Board of Directors maintains that their meetings follow Robert's Rules of Order. As a Director I made a motion and the Board stated that they did not want it to appear in the minutes after it was seconded by another Director who then withdrew his second, after listening to complaints from the remainder of the Board. My question; Under Robert's Rules should my motion be included in the minutes of the meeting so our community can read my position versus the Board's position?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Personally and past BOD experience was that when a Motion was made and Seconded it was put in the minutes no matter the outcome.

Motions made but not Seconded were not put in the minutes.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Ralph,

Under Roberts Rules, at meetings of small assemblies (such as board meetings of 12 or fewer members) motions do not even require a second. Also, when a motion is seconded, the second, even the original motion, cannot be withdrawn. At the point, the assembly owns the motion and only the assembly can vote to dispose of it (the proper procedure would be to move that the motion be indefinitely postponed).

By the way, according to proper parliamentary procedure, a second is not intended to mean that the person making the second is in favor of the motion. It merely means that the person making the second believes the motion is worthy of debate.

All motions made (and the person making the motion) should be entered in the minutes and how they have been disposed of. If your assembly does require a second and none is made, you simply state that because of the lack of a second no action was taken on the motion.
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Bruce

Fellow BODer asked me why I seconded a lot of motions that I vote against. I replied I just want all ideas of any merit to be discussed and let the members
(via the minutes) see that we do.
RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Bruce,

Thanks for the info. Can you possibly direct me to where Roger's Rules states a motion doen't even require a second.
I would really like to have my idea put into the printed minutes and all the other Board members(6 others)be shown as voting against the idea.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
I second Bruce's excellent post
There are other items on the agenda that can also be rapidly handled to shorten Board meetings.
For minutes which were emailed after the last Board meeting the Chair can state "If there are no changes and without objection the minutes are approved as presented."
With a similar statement the Chair can adjour the meeting by stating "with no further business and without objection the meeting is adjourned."
Also, the Treasurer's report is not be approved by the Board.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RalphR1 on 04/01/2012 8:37 AM
Bruce,

Thanks for the info. Can you possibly direct me to where Roger's Rules states a motion doen't even require a second.
I would really like to have my idea put into the printed minutes and all the other Board members(6 others)be shown as voting against the idea.

I don't have the latest edition, but in the 10th edition, in a footnote at the bottom of page 34, Roberts Rules states: "Motions need not be seconded in a small board or a committee."
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:

You could take a class on proper minutes taking at a meeting. I like the action in short sentences and don't need to read every board members' opinion in conjunction with a vote.
RalphR1 (Colorado)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Thanks for your response BruceF1. Could you possibly look at my message regarding employees payroll and the right to know. I value your consideration and advice. Is it also possible to view the replies that I received. If possible could you comment on those peoples comments. Sorry to ask for so much. Thanks again!
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Ralph,

Thanks for your confidence.

I have been reading the other threads you have mentioned and so far I have not commented on them because I do not at present feel I have anything constructive to offer. I try to deal primarily in facts (not always successfully) and any opinions I offer are usually based on facts as I know them or on my personal experience. This thread is such an example because I can base my comments on what is written in Roberts Rules, whether those who read my comments believe Roberts Rules is appropriate in their case or not. As for experience, I have never felt that I did not have the information I needed to perform my duties as a member of the board, so I cannot say how I would approach a situation similar to yours as you have described it.

I will say that my mode of operation at board meetings is usually to listen. On most motions I am usually the last to speak and to offer any opinion. I prefer to hear all sides of an issue first so that I am better prepared to defend the position I decide to take. That approach also often enables me to offer a compromise solution that can be accepted by all board members. I try to use tact whenever possible. I've found that it's often easier to get my ideas accepted if I am able to convince others it was "their" idea.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
To reply to your original question, Ralph, I agree with Bruce's 1st reply to you: Every motion, whether or not seconded, should be recorded in the minutes.

I don't know about NY, but in CA, agenda items may not be added once the required 4-day notice of regular (open) meeting has been posted for HOA Members. So your agenda item would have appeared to the membership on the agenda. I think it's important for them to see what happened to your agenda item in the minutes.

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