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LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
It's been a while since I have posted, but my situation has only gotten worse. I will be brief (or at least as brief as possible ;-)

Our Board has had serious turmoil. Last year we had a member who chose not to participate because of his dislike for me (also a Board member). No attempt was made to remove him because the other Board members thought 'out of sight, out of mind' was a good policy.

In October we had a new election- I supposedly lost by one vote. However we had non-deeded owners who voted, one ballot that suddenly 'appeared', and proxies that were not validated (one of which was a fraud). All in all, a mess. The Board consulted an attorney to determine whether a new election should be held. They were contacted by our 'non-participating' Board member and given a whole list of 'facts' that were untrue in order to get the opinion he wanted of her (valid election-me off the Board). He's an attorney too...so why would he lie, right? I took the high road and rather than fight and cost our association a whole lot of money I let it go.

Of course, then I found out that this same man was going door to door with a 'packet' of information containing lies, misinformation, and anything else he could make up to slander me. Many people don't know me, so they don't know what to believe. And he's an attorney, right...why would he lie?

I went to our first meeting of the 'new' Board today, and he is back to being an active member. He and the woman he got elected made sure to have the audience filled with 'friends'. I of course was bombarded with nasty coments- and nasty looks because people believed the information he distributed. He even admitted openly that he had given this 'information' to 120 of my neighbors. (my attorney will appreciate that I am sure)

Has anyone else ever dealt with something like this before? If I did the things I am accused of,i would say I deserve it. But they are lies, and I have not done anything wrong. How can I possibly defend myself? How can I live in my neighborhood knowing that so many people think ill of me?

What's even harder is that a motion was made to have a meeting to vote on removing this man because he had been absent for over 50% of the meetings last year, and he had failed to attend the annual meeting (among other things). The current Board 'decided' that they would not respect the petition circulated or the demands of attendees at the last meeting who asked for a special meeting of the members to vote on removal. Two of my former fellow Board members are current members. They were slandered as well, although much less severely. And they let it go, even knowing who he is, and how badly he can damage our association (heck...just my lawsuit alone). Ouch.

Don't get me wrong...I have supporters who think I should have fought the election, that emailed me thnaking me for what I have done, told me how sorry they were for all this drama, etc. But it hurts just the same. Eay to say the people who simply buy into it are stupid and don't matter...another thing to live it.

Has anyone else and what did you do? What would you do?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Lisa:

I am sorry to hear that, I have not dealt with the extent you are dealing with. At this point I would consult an attorney and see what you can do about slander. Can you get a copy of what he passed out? Do you have allies that he has talked to that would stand up for you? That is probably the route I would take. I admire your courage, we all want people to like us, it just sucks really bad when people spread lies.
LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
Many thanks...it still boggles my mind that someone (especially an attorney) would act in the manner. If it weren't me this happened to, I wouldn't believe it.

I was lucky enough to have a friend in my niehgborhood give me a copy of the packet he handed out. My attorney has it, along with a slew of emails that continue the tirade. As I understand it, the problem is proving damages. But, as I am employed in Real Estate, it does affect my business, never mind the personal anguish aspect. Hopefully that will be enough. At the time this was distributed, I was also not a 'public figure' which is a better place to be. (In the packet he writes states that I am not on the Board).

You are right- it sucks. But as was explained to me, that is what you get for volunteering (no good deed goes unpunished...)

LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
When I first read your post, I thought I had written it!!! I too suffered from an almost similar situation. It got to the point where I was physically attacked, and chased down the street out of board meeting!!! Word of advice it that ever happens to you. Do NOT hit or be violent on your side. Let the other person be the aggressor. Call the police and make a report of it. That way if it happens again, your actions against them could be "self-defense". ;)
My situation was that I was president of my HOA for 2 years and Vice-President for 1. At the time I was running the place, NO ONE was interested in being on the board or even being an officer. Heck at times there was only me and maybe one person at a board meeting!
The previous President was and is still a con-man who is using the HOA to his advantage. I could write a novel on the things he did and is still doing to the members of the HOA. Including ripping off elderly people with alzheimers. Which he was caught red handed doing.
When I took over the HOA from him. He said that it was all his doings and he got me elected. However, once he figured out that I knew EXACTLY what he'd been up to and took him off signing checks and denying him bids, he lashed back with lies. Some were pretty impressive I have to admit. My favorite one to this day even had the police patrolling my new house for a few months! Turns out that after I had moved out of my HOA, (used HOA as rental property), his new girlfriend's car had been broken into. Whoever did it stole her gun. He told the police that it was me and that I had done it because I was "stalking him". (I'm a woman by the way). Ironically, I am the creator and maintainer of the NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH program!!! So who do you think gets the crimes reported to? There were several break ins occurring that month. The criminal was caught ironically, because he tried to break into the liar's truck, and my neighbor caught him. The criminal tried to attack my neighbor with a baseball bat! The criminal was the son of a newly elected board member!!! After this capture, it was revealed that the liar had told the NEW board and others that I had been responsible for the break-ins the whole time. Once the criminal got caught, everyone realized he had lied about me! He never once apologized to me but he was force to apologize to all my neighbors for lying.
My recourse was that I quit the HOA presidency and moved to a neighboring neighborhood. I rented my HOA property out and tried to stay a board member for the first year. However, the new board were people that the liar had brainwashed and the new president was his new girlfriend!!! Eventually, I just learned to stay out of the HOA business and let them destroy themselves. (Which did happen). Ironically, after about 6 months with the new board, HOA members called me back again and requested I run for President!!! I didn't even live there! Even the New board called me for advice on how to run the HOA! Of course, I knew they had spread lies about me and could prove it. However, I took the high road, and gave the the board advice. But I admit, it wasn't always the best advice... I gave better advice to the general members instead! How better to change out the bad apples by empowering the good ones to take over?

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Posted By LisaS on 01/27/2007 4:04 PM

Of course, then I found out that this same man was going door to door with a 'packet' of information containing lies, misinformation, and anything else he could make up to slander me. Many people don't know me, so they don't know what to believe. And he's an attorney, right...why would he lie?


Here's an article you may wish to read prior to filing a law suit for defamation (which includes libel or slander). There's more informtion on that site.

One important note it mentions is that most attorneys will not take defamation cases on contingency, so you would be risking a lot of money.

Perhaps a good method to use is to take the points he made about you and write your own packet and include proof of the truth.

If you do this, don't try to run this person down. If it were me, I would just say that I wish to clarify the erros this person has made and point out what is the real truth.

LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
Thanks for the feedback. Luckily, this man is a weasel who would never say a bad word to my face, never mind hit me.. But I always carry mace just in case...

I wish I was being accused of a crime that could be cleared up by catching the real culprit. Unfortunately, he makes his stories up as he goes along. Much of it ends up he said/she said. You can't win that battle. Especially when neighborhood violators (who usually got their letters from me on behalf of the board)are his biggest supporters.

In my case, I spoke with an attorney regarding defamation, libel, and slander. He is willing to take it on contingency (although at this point I am willing to spend some money). I kept all documents, names, times, places. And now I have a public admission from him of how many people this info went to. Hopefully he gets the message when he gets served....
WilliamB6 (Nevada)
Posts: 2
Posted:
The same thing has occured in my case, however it is the friend of the former president. He has leveled charges that are untrue and he has no documentation to prove his allegations. I too have a problem, since I am the Vice President, when the President is out of town then I should be in charge, one other thing the President and I are newly elected two months, if ther arises any situation wher I take any action I am attacked for overstepping th bounds of authority. The allegations are untrue and slanderous, but the atmosphere here has been fouled by these individuals. I have told them that they have not been responsable managers because they have not fully funde current noperation needs and only now after 8 years of existance have started a feeble effort to fund the reserve needs of our community. I must add that our development is only 50% completed and that the assets are growing exponetially. The lack of foresight and the total controll of the preceeding Board have only made matters worse because it is the same group of owners that the BOD has been dominated by. Are ther any others out ther who may have the same issues and that can guide me?
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
I have had the same thing happen to me...twice...although the 2nd time, last month, was not as bad as two years ago. It amazes me that someone likes to bring the entire neighborhood into the situation, creating an unhappy community, to benefit themselves.

The first attempt of a 'mini-coup' two years ago was down right nasty and cost the association a lot of money. We had the special meeting, the propoganda and all the ugliness that goes with door-to-door lies. People handed over their proxie just to get this person off their door step. I was removed along with another board member but she still couldn't get herself 'elected' to the board with her own proxies. The two that did get on quit a few months later. Of course, I was asked to be back on the board and severd a term 1-year longer than the one I was removed from. In the mean-time, everytime I came home, I felt like hiding under a rock as I drove into the neighborhood because these people heard all these 'bad things' about me. I learned who my friends really were.

Here we are two years later and this same person took a different approach. She and another neighbor started going door-to-door collecting proxies for the annual meeting. Since we had four positions of five up for election (that is an entirely different discussion) she attempted a 'mini-coup' again and managed to get herself and two of her co-horts on the board. Myself and one other board member re-ran as well as a person not associated with them. Of course, they voted themselves and the 'other' person to the board and we now have four new board members.

If this person truely wanted to serve on the board for the betterment of the neighborhood, she would have run last year and easily won without the door-to-door stuff. The fact that she only does this when there are four positions up and has to spread lies, tells me she is doing this for personal reasons and probably some type of power trip. I'm concerned for our neighborhood as one of the new members thinks that enforcing the covenants is petty and stupid (among other things).

The people who really care question what they are being told and seek to find out the truth. Those who hand over their proxy are happy with the community as it is and don't really care to be involved. Unfortunately, those that don't care give the power to somene with ulterior motives that can end up being bad for the entire community.
LisaS (Illinois)
Posts: 341
Posted:
Julie...if I didn't know better I'd say we live in the same neighborhood!!

Thanks for your story. I thought I was the only one. The one good thing that came of my situation is that I have made a new friend in my neighborhood who feels similarly and is working to better our community as well. I have also received some very unexpected words of quiet support from people in my community that I don't even know. For both I am thankful.

Sadly, as our community is fairly new, most people don't want to get involved, or rock the boat, or ask a question because they may end up a target too or the next good story being spread around.

The malicious Board member is now the secretary for our association. And you can imagine how interesting the minutes are. Pure fiction.

I have had to hire an attorey to send letters and files suit to stop this foolishness. Not my first choice, believe me. But, nothing else has worked.

I hope your situation continues to improve so that your community can get back on track as well.

Lisa

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