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RobertP15 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
What are the consequences, if any, of an HOA violating its own bylaws, i.e., annual audits, audits when the Treasury changes hands, board member being bonded?

Can legal action be brought against them?
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Robert,

I am not an attorney and I do not work within the legal profession. I am offering advice based on the information contained in your post, personal experiences, research and, hopefully, common sense.

Is your Association under membership control or Declarant (builder) control?

If the Association is under Declarant control, there is usually little that can be done because the governing documents are typically designed so the builder retains the majority of the votes in making decisions. However, they still need to comply with those governing document or amend them.

If the Association is under membership control, there are a few other options available. I've listed them near the bottom of this post.

Overall, there usually is no State entity to oversee Associations. Some States have created ombudsman offices but they are more of a mediator then enforcer.

To be honest with you, there are typically limited or no consequences if an Association fails to comply with their governing documents. This is why it's important that the members be involved and make informed decisions when they cast their vote for Directors. This is because governments see this as a civil matter and not a criminal matter.

However, members may seek a legal injunction (court order) for the Association to comply with it's bylaws (usually a specific part of a bylaw). Once the injunction is issued, if the Board fails to comply with the court order, they risk facing criminal or civil penalties for violating the court order.

If you wish to seek a court order, you will need to consult with an attorney in your area (I'd suggest someone versed in corporate and/or contract law) and pay their legal fees. Additionally, as a member of the Association, you will be required to pay your share of the Associations legal fees. The winner in the court case might be able to recoup the legal fees from the other party but State laws vary on that.

Because seeking an injunction can become very expensive, it's better to try other options first. Some of these options may include:

1) A simple letter to the board informing them of the requirement (as they might not be aware of it).

2) Volunteer to be elected to the board. If you win, you will be in the position to make those decisions and correct the issues.

3) Solicit signatures to call a special meeting for the purpose of recalling the board. You will also need to identify volunteers willing to serve as Directors if the recall is successful.

4) Inform the membership of the issue and hope they make an informed decision at the next election to vote the bums out.

As for the Board members being bonded, this will depend on State laws and your governing documents. Most Associations carry crime insurance which serves as a fidelity bond, covering all Board members, Officers, committee members and employees (not independent contractors). This insurance usually satisfies any requirement for a bond.

I hope this helps,

Tim
RobertP15 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Thank you, Tim, I appreciate the response. It does help, but I see I have a lot of research to do!

Our HOA is well established and they have been doing whatever they wanted for years.Homeowners have been yelled at, told they have no say-so in anything and no reason to even speak. Thankfully, new laws have just passed in Texas giving homeowners more rights and requiring HOAs to do more things legally, i.e. filing bylaws, restrictions and other documents with the county in order for them to be valid. Most of the 'scum' is now gone, but there's a few bums left who are obviously not happy that they can't just do what they want and butt heads at everything.

We know they haven't had an audit in years, and according to bylaws they are supposed to do one annually as well as whenever the position of Treasurer changes hands, which has happened twice just since August of last year. One of the excuses for not doing it has been they just can't afford it. My response to that is 'not my problem.' A lot of people have stopped paying and haven't paid in years. From the new laws, it will cost the HOA money legally to even try to force payment, get liens and eventually foreclose. They have to have a court order. They lost the support of the neighborhood because they never supported the community, it was always their own agenda. We have a LOT of people who would just like to see them gone altogether, but a lot of people are still afraid of them and not willing to step up for fear of retaliation. We've told them many times that unless people start seeing changes FIRST, they will never get support. Even though the new laws are for the homeowners, many are tired of wasting their time with the board and want nothing to do with them.

We are looking at other options and possibilities, possibly just bankrupting them to disband them altogether, just not sure how to go about doing that. I appreciate this forum and all who help others. It mean a lot to know there are people out there who DO care!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Can you bring legal action, you bet you can...however, the question that needs to be answered is what are you hoping to accomplish and does that require legal action? Going to court should be a last resort when all else has failed.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
"annual audits, audits when the Treasury changes hands, board member being bonded"

Why would board members need to be bonded? Audits are very expensive. Perhaps the board got an audit review or compliation.

What's your size and annual budget/
RobertP15 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
It states in our bylaws that the directors will be bonded. I realize audits are expensive, but that's something they should budget for each year. There hasn't been one in years. Yes, they did a 'review' back in August. This after the ex-president finally resigned; his wife was the bookkeeper & the two of them where handling the finances. The actual Treasurer at that time did nothing. It was just her title.

The new President has said that the ex-pres's wife has accounts so messed up (meaning homeowners); some are listed, some are not; when property was purchased by a new owner, she'd just start a new account instead putting the owner on the old one.....the list goes on. I say they need an audit and if there were things going on that shouldn't, people need to be held accountable.

And as far as what I'd like to accomplish.....I'd really like to see the neighborhood brought back to it's splendor and make the community better as a whole, BUT, that being said...those who are on there now do nothing more than argue over how things should be done. They don't have much money because they don't have any owner support. People here just don't care. Our property values are in the toilet and people are tired of paying their hard=earned money and getting nothing. A lot of us would not have a problem with bankrupting them and dis-banning them altogether. We have just under 250 properties here and people just don't care anymore.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Robert:

Seems from what you have posted you have quite a bit to learn.

Your response when told the audits were not performed because they don't have the funds "not MY problem" well that IS a problem and it is your problem and that of every other owner. If they don't have the money just because YOU say so doesn't make it so. If the owners don't fund the HOA just hwere should the money come from? Our audit runs about $2,000 each year. Does your property have the funds to perform the audit?

Do you have ANY actual knowledge of the property's finances? Yearly income, expenses how many units have failed to pay their fair share? Tough to find the problems when you don't have the necessary information.

IF money is a problem what services the HOA provides would you be willing to do without to have YOUR audit?

IF many of the owners are NOT paying where should the HOA find the funding to do what you demand?

IMO at least some of the blame lies with the owners to what extent tough to tell from what you have provided.

And can you take legal action why sure you can. Just what would you hope to accomplish though? Just to get even for what you feel was misbehavior?

And your plan to simply bankrupt THEM. Just what do you think would happen then? The property would automatically revert back to its former splendor? Guess again. The HOA would go away? Guess again? Your property would become worthless? Getting warmer.

The reality is YOU are THEM. Bankrupting them would harm your own property. The Board members like YOU are owners. It is not them against us, that mentality will accomplsih little.

BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Robert,

You are always free to seek a remedy through the courts, but it would be legal action in the sense of a civil court suit; not a legal action in the sense of criminal activity.

The reality is, however, that unless you have been harmed in some way (suffered personal financial loss or loss of property) you're not likely to get very far. For example, suppose you file suit because your board does not provide proper or timely financial reports, or publish the minutes of its meetings, or some similar action or neglect. Unless you can show that you have suffered some actual loss (or harm) as a result, the case is likely to be thrown out and you will have wasted your money (assuming you could find a lawyer to take such a case to begin with).

You're best course of action is to try to find new people to run for board position who are willing to to the job the way you would like to see it done.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
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Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

We know they haven't had an audit in years, and according to bylaws they are supposed to do one annually as well as whenever the position of Treasurer changes hands, which has happened twice just since August of last year. One of the excuses for not doing it has been they just can't afford it.

Robert,

An actual Audit is very expensive, We only have a 100K budget and were quoted 10K for an audit. To minimize costs we asked the membership for permission to do a "financial review" vs. an audit. Here is a link to a thread within this forum that has additional links and discusses the different services a CPA could provide and the costs involved:

Subject: Financial Audits, Reviews or Compilation Which do you use?

Quote:
Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

We know they haven't had an audit in years, and according to bylaws they are supposed to do one annually as well as whenever the position of Treasurer changes hands, which has happened twice just since August of last year. One of the excuses for not doing it has been they just can't afford it. My response to that is 'not my problem.' A lot of people have stopped paying and haven't paid in years. From the new laws, it will cost the HOA money legally to even try to force payment, get liens and eventually foreclose. They have to have a court order. They lost the support of the neighborhood because they never supported the community, it was always their own agenda. We have a LOT of people who would just like to see them gone altogether, but a lot of people are still afraid of them and not willing to step up for fear of retaliation. We've told them many times that unless people start seeing changes FIRST, they will never get support. Even though the new laws are for the homeowners, many are tired of wasting their time with the board and want nothing to do with them.

We are looking at other options and possibilities, possibly just bankrupting them to disband them altogether, just not sure how to go about doing that. I appreciate this forum and all who help others. It mean a lot to know there are people out there who DO care!

Quote:
Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

My response to that is 'not my problem.'

True, it's not your problem. However, it is your money being spent to have one done.

You stated that "a lot of people have stopped paying and haven't paid in years." When this happens, it typically falls on those who are able or willing to pay the assessements to pay more (in the form of higher assessments) so the bills are covered and services continue.

Some of these services are contractually mandated by the CC&Rs and some may be optional. Example: CC&Rs may say common area is to be maintained but does not specify how often the grass is to be mowed. Hence mowing could be cut back from once a week to once a month. Another example would be the hours a pool is opened could be adjusted. etc.

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Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

From the new laws, it will cost the HOA money legally to even try to force payment, get liens and eventually foreclose. They have to have a court order.

Yep. Everything costs money. Even if the costs of collection are part of the lien, they Association must still pay those costs initially and "hope" they can recoup the money.

Often it's cheaper to just cut losses and write it off - as the Association lien is secondary to the banks lien.

Quote:
Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

They lost the support of the neighborhood because they never supported the community, it was always their own agenda. We have a LOT of people who would just like to see them gone altogether, but a lot of people are still afraid of them and not willing to step up for fear of retaliation.

Sometimes it's just plain apathy or lack of information.
It took me three years of informing the membership before positive changes occurred.

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Posted By RobertP15 on 03/30/2012 5:59 AM

We are looking at other options and possibilities, possibly just bankrupting them to disband them altogether, just not sure how to go about doing that. I appreciate this forum and all who help others. It mean a lot to know there are people out there who DO care!

Bankrupting them is bankrupting the members (aka you and your neighbors).

The only money an Association receives is from it's membership. Typically any legal actions brought against a Board member is paid through the D&O Insurance (which will lead to higher insurance premiums) and/or directly from the coffers of the Association. When this happens, the Board may need to pass Special Assessments in order to pay those legal bills. If you are a party to the legal action you will be required to pay your share of those legal expenses in addition to your own.

The Board is made up of volunteers. If they are unpaid volunteers, laws typically indemnify them from making bad business decisions. Therefore, there is rarely any punitive damages associated with legal challenges.

I've discovered that the best way to make changes is to become involved. Even if the involvement is just attending the meetings to observe what is happening - as few are willing to do the wrong thing when they know they are being observed. A side benefit is that attendees will learn why certain decisions are made.

As your doing your research, you might want to check out the following links:

Community Associations Network - Texas page. They are a sponsor of this site and provide links to the HOA laws of each state (scroll down the page and look in the left column) in addition to other resources.

Texas nonprofit corporation laws. If your Association is incorporated as a nonprofit (most are) they must comply with these laws in addition to HOA laws and other laws.

HOA-USA Texas Resource page. This organization requires money to join (no, I am not a member of it) and see everything that's available. However they do provide a lot of resources for free. For example, check out the explanation of laws the Association must comply with.

CAI Best Practices Reports. CAI stands for Community Association Institute and also costs money to join. However, they do publish reports called "best practices" that may provide some guidance and insight. The link above is to the CAI website page for their reports. However, I prefer how this Associations web site offers them with short descriptions of the contents.
Side note: Many consider CAI to be the "bad guys" as they do lobby for HOA laws. Irregardless of how you view the organization, they do offer some good resources (and no, I'm not a member of this organization either).

Of course, continue to visit this site as another good resource.

Hope this helps,

Tim

JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Robert

One thing to remember is the more problems an HOA has and then more public they become, the faster house prices will fall in that HOA.

The best advice is make nice and all pull in the same direction even if this requires a recall and/or new blood on the BOD. Rectify thinks but keep it quiet and professional.

RobertP15 (Texas)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I truly appreciate the advice and information.

This is an invaluable forum.
JonD1
Posts: 2,350
Posted:
Good luck

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