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MaxineN (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
do non-resident owners forfeit the use of common areas when the unit is rented, specifically storing personal furniture, remodeling supplies. etc? we have a board member that has changed locks on doors to store his own items but lives in another county.
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
So what makes him a non-member then? Just because an owner doesn't live in the HOA or even rents out their unit, they don't forfeit their membership status. That only happens when one sells their property. Sounds like something people just want to criticize for other reasons.

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FredS7 (Arizona)
Posts: 927
Posted:
Do you mean a common area or a LIMITED common element?

Something like a locker or a parking space (when defined as a limited common element) would be for the use of the unit. The owner would have to settle with the tenant who gets to use it. But no way does it revert to the association.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
IMO:

most CCRs permitting leasing have language to the effect that:

".....right of easement and enjoyment.....may be DELEGATED to his tenants....."

'membership' may NOT be delegated, remains with ownership

however

if rights are delegated, they now belong to someone else

the OP has a valid point

(else what would prevent the owner/member AND his tenants PLUS both their guests to ALL use the common elements?)

verb (used with object)
4. to send or appoint (a person) as deputy or representative.
5. to commit (powers, functions, etc.) to another as agent or deputy.

SteveM9 (Massachusetts)
Posts: 3,699
Posted:
Give us a better example. Is this a storage closet? Entire common building? Try not to be so vague.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Our CC&Rs state that owners lose access to our common area amenities when they rent out their condos. Such amenities here are pool, gym, billiards room, a couple of lounges and, most important, secure visitor parking. Owners still, of course, retain all of their other rights as Assoc. members, e.g., attending open meetings of the board, voting.

But, I agree with others, Maxine. Are you talking about a storage area to which many residents have access? Or a door to a storage area in which there are many individual storage "cages" that are deeded to each condo? Or??
MaxineN (California)
Posts: 5
Posted:
This is a community room. It used to have a pool table in it but when the building was converted to condos the room was locked and not used. It has a kitchenette and could be used for meetings (or another pool table) but no one has access.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Maxine:

The following is noted on Davis-Stirling site:

http://www.davis-stirling.com/MainIndex/CommonAreaKeys/tabid/1637/Default.aspx#axzz1qONImC00

ANSWER: When owners lease their units to tenants, they transfer their common area rights to their tenants. Liebler v. Point Loma Tennis Club. As a result, absentee owners do not have a right to common area keys. There are valid reasons for such restrictions. The first is security. The more keys in circulation, the less secure the building becomes. The other reason is facility usage. If both owners and tenants have access to facilities, it increases the load on those facilities. Accordingly, associations may limit access by limiting the distribution of keys.

It sounds more like you have a board member who is potentially helping themselves to “free” personal storage which I bet was not approved by majority of board and which potentially they are not “renting” from the association. So, did I guess right?

MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Now that you have clarified the situation more Maxine, my opinion has changed signficantly. This is common area owned by the HOA. It is NOT exclusive use area like a storage shed or parking space. This is SHARED space. I would now say that the HOA has a right to go to the court and evict the board members stuff out of there. Plus be able to change out the locks. This area is owned by ALL the members since it is HOA property. The HOA may need a lawyer to represent them in court on this matter. However, I believe they should give up their key and remove their stuff out of the area. It isn't a matter of them being a non-resident. It's a matter of using space that isn't exclusive. It's inclusive.

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JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Max

I would have the BOD write him a letter informing him that he has no right to use the space (maybe even reference some law, but be specific) and give him 30 days to remove his stuff and also inform him at the end of those 30 days the lock will be changed.

Throw the ball back in his court before any lawerying up.

Hope this helps.

CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Are you on the board, Maxine? Do you have a property manager? How many directors are there? Do all directors support this guy who commandeered your common area? What I'm trying to learn is if you'd have support from the board or PM to write a letter to him telling him to remove his stuff within 30 days, or the association will have it removed at his expense.

Indeed, since the room in question is common area, I see no reason why the Board or property manager cannot have the lock removed.

if you'd have no support from the board or PM, are there many other homeowners who, like you, who agree that the room should be returned to all of you? Sounds like it could be a nice room! Get your request to return the room to all residents on the next agenda. Gather a bunch of homeowners together to go to the next open meeting and demand, yes, demand that something be done about the situation. This director's arrogance should not be tolerated.

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