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JordanG (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
I'm a resident in an HOA community in Western Washington.

For the past twenty years the HOA board has struggled to pass community amendments due to a lack of participation on the part of home owners. Homeowners who do not vote, have a vote that counts as 'no' in all elections / amendments / new bylaws. Typically participation is only about 30% of the community, unless a major issue occurs, in which case 50% has been reached.

I'm on a committee to try and formulate some new rounds of changes to RCRs and Amendments and I see this as an insurmountable obstacle for our success.

Is it possible to get the status of a non-voting HOA member / property owner to count as a non-vote, rather then as a 'no' vote? Is there a legal obstacle to doing so?

We're planning to maintain proper notification requirements in the community, so they'd receive some form of recognized, traceable legal communication about upcoming votes (probably more then once).

Can anyone offer insight? Can this be done? Have you done it? If so, what were outcomes, objections, ways of overcoming them?
KellyM3 (North Carolina)
Posts: 2,239
Posted:
I'll venture a guess that the vast majority of HOA boards do not enjoy the benefits of an active community when it comes to community affairs. Read the By-Laws of your HOA to learn how to change your rules.

It does seem very steep a hurdle when absent property owners are automatically voting as "No." Are you sure that's the correct interpretation of your rules? If so, the rules makers, way back then, did not want changes made to their property.
JordanG (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The HOA was originally a group of about 30 home owners, each with individual lots, and one man who owned all of the initial lots, as well as around 120 others that were unoccupied. Essentially the covenants were set up so that he could make decisions as long as he wanted too without much input from others. So yes, they were poorly set up.

Do you have experience or have you seen anything like this? Is there a good set of standards or practices we can follow? Any input from anyone?
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Jordan … welcome to the forum.

Here is a link for your HOA State Statutes, if needed:

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=64.38

Per your questions:
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Is it possible to get the status of a non-voting HOA member / property owner to count as a non-vote, rather then as a 'no' vote? Is there a legal obstacle to doing so?

Can anyone offer insight? Can this be done? Have you done it? If so, what were outcomes, objections, ways of overcoming them?

NO … because it is not supposed to be an easy task to Amend the governing documents as doing so affects the property of every member. Members know if they do not respond that their vote is counted as a “no” vote and some may take this avenue vs. voting no.

The potential legal obstacle is the CCR’s are attached to and affect the property title and which is why to make changes in many states requires large majority of owners to agree.

Now … after your second post there is also the potential issue where you may still be under what is generally called “Declarant Controlled” subdivision. Do you know if the individual is going to add the 120 undeveloped lots to the subdivision? Is the developer still around or has items “reserved” in your documents? These are potential questions which need to be answered.

JordanG (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Since the covenants were originally written the single 'developer' / majority owner has sold off almost all of his lots. (The community is about 40 years old). All in there are around 220 lots, with 180+ home owners.

Are you saying that we CANNOT get their vote changed to a non-vote? Obviously we'd need a majority vote for this to occur, but were we able to get that vote to pass, would the new voting standard not be legal?

If someone's familiar with this, please let me know.
JohnB26 (South Carolina)
Posts: 1,569
Posted:
1 - you need a members list (actual owners, not merely residents)
2 - you need to ensure that your CCRs are in compliance w/ WA law
3 - you would need a vote (at a properly 'noticed' meeting) of the MEMBERS as per your EXISTING CCRs (with an abstention counting as a nay) to modify said CCRs
4 - the resulting ammended CCRs would have to be in compliance with ALL applicable WA statutes and/or laws
5 - the 'new' CCRs would then need to be filed with the registrar of deeds
6 - the new CCRs would require distribution to the membership (and possibly all the mortagors .... who may then challenge them in court)

7 - ergo: you need a attorney who specializes in contract real estate law

... good luck ...

CAVEAT EMPTOR
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Jordan, I am not familiar with the state laws in Washington. In Colorado I would suggest amending the Bylaws (using the currently described procedures in the Bylaws) to be able to amend with a 2/3 vote of those members persent and voting at a duly called members meeting.

For the RCRs either 1) need the required percent of all owners to approve an amendment or 2)the HOA can go to court and try to amend with approval of 1/3 of all owners. I would suggest amending the RCRs (our's are the Declartion of CC&Rs) to approve future amendments with 50% plus one of all owners written approval.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Say, Jordan, to help me understand your situation better, per your RCRs, what percentage of YES votes is required to amend your RCRs?

Must the YES votes be a certain % of all homeowners? A certain % of voters? Or a certain % of a quorum (as defined by your docs) of voters?

Do absentee ballots count towards quorum like they do in Calif.?

Do follow Janet's advice & check the website she gave you. It's possible that state statutes supersede yours and are more lenient than your RCRs.

Do follow Jon's advice & consult with an appropriate attorney.
JordanG (Washington)
Posts: 4
Posted:
The Yes votes must constitute 2/3rds of the total lots (some property owners have more then one lot and can cast a vote for each lot). So out of 220 or so, we'd need approximately 145 votes.

We tried passing some revisions to the RCRs at our annual meeting this year, and had the highest voter turnout in probably a decade. The count? 87 votes. It was close to a 50/50 split on the particular amendments. But in the end that's irrelevant because the 130 people who didn't vote all counted as no's.

We tried passing a quorum type resolution (which is apparently allowed in WA) and that is what was voted down. There were some attachments that allowed the Board significantly greater authority which were target of most of the no votes.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Jordan:

What do your documents state regarding voting? Do they allow for proxy votes? I have not double checked with your state laws on this very issue (LOL ... laws which are potentially minimal); however, if an individual could cast a proxy vote without being present at the meeting you might be able to better pass the change.

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