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JeanieB1 (Alabama)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I am currently the President of our HOA. In the past we've had to deal with unscruplous board members who think they can spend association funds at will without bringing the matter before the homeowners. Our budget for 2011 and 2012 has been right out $37,800.00. Our annual assessments take in approxmiately $38,000.00 a year.

My concern at the moment is we have aprpoximately $129,000.00 in our checking and money market accounts (combined) with another $20,000.00 in 2012 assessments yet to be collected (the due date is March 31, 2012). There is great concern that future Board members will go crazy and do things with this money without ever consulting the owners.

We are a not-for-profit association. Is there some law or statue that dictates how much money we can have in a "reserve" account?

The Board I am currently serving on is trying to figure out a way to get this large sum down so it cannot be abused down the road. (It would be well over $200,000 right now how it not been for dumb/greedy/tyranical board members in the past.

We are proposing several options to be voted upon by the members that will hopefully drop this sum down considerably, but I would love to know if there is any governing force that I could use to SHOW that we should not/cannot continue to retain this type of money "just to have it in our account".

I will tell you that six years ago the homeowners were assessed $2,200.00 per lot so we could pave our 4 1/2 miles of private road. That venture cost us $440,000.00. (Mind you we were not given a vote on the matter, and those nut jobs re-paved large sections of roads that were only 7 and 5 years old with NO damage to them whatsoever!)
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
Wrong thought process as that may come across as greedy yourselves. Your going to spend money so another group don't waste it? Seriously? Why not instead make a few preventative maintenace steps on a few items or fix a few things? Aplly it where it is needed. I used to have a "Volunteer day" where the HOA boght the supplies and the members supplied the work. Like painting, renting a dumpster, or other gardeing/sprucing up items.

The BEST advice I ever got in my HOA is this and it pertains to your EXACT issue. A HOA is ONLY funded by it's members FOR it's members. The money/budget you and your fellow board members were elected to control is on the behalf of the WHOLE of the membership. It is NOT just the board's money it represents ALL the owners. Your dues money you pay is a part of that just like your neighbors.

With that perspective then use that to change the culture of which the money is spent. The board/Officers should work as "Fascillitators" NOT bosses. If My membership wanted to paint the roads "Red" my job as President was to look into ALL aspects of doing just that. Which would include taking a vote on it then gathering up supplies and labor.

It is VERY hard to give up that control on a checkbook as everyone has ideas on how to spend it. However it is the very thing a HOA has to do to be successful. I compare it to leaving your checkbook on your families dining room table. The whole family can see the family income and be involved in managing it. However, just like with kids, they see the balance has $500 that means a new Xbox...It doesn't mean or show that $500 is BEFORE bills. So you can see how a HOA checkbook can be veiwed by others and how important it is to be OPEN about where the money goes and what it is for...Otherwise expect to purchase more Xboxes...

Former HOA President
DavidW5 (North Carolina)
Posts: 565
Posted:
Jeanie,

You do not make clear in your post whether the "excess" funds you refer to are operating funds or reserve funds.

Do you have a separate replacement reserve fund? The fact that you previously had a special assessment to repave the roads makes it likely that your board failed to have a reserve study done and then failed to set aside an adequate portion of your regular assessments as a reserve to cover that expense.

If that is, in fact, the case then any funds that are in excess of your current year operating needs should be set aside, in a separate account as reserves for future repairs/replacement.

This is HOA financial management 101. Are you a self managed HOA? Or do you have a management company? Sounds like nobody is minding the store.
BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
Better yet let 'em spend every nickle of it just like our board/officers blame someone else for the shortage and raise the dues with no budget presented. eeh haa !!!! And yes this is a true story.
CarolR11 (Colorado)
Posts: 2,563
Posted:
Jeannie, Please follow David's advice! If you don't have a Reserve Account or Fund, set one up. You mentioned the cost to repave the road, You need to set aside funds to do again. You may wish to pay a professional to set up your reserve schedule (how much to put aside for various elements; their estimated remaining lifespans, etc).

What other elements is your HOA responsible for? Roofs? Clubhouse or other rec facilities?
JohnC46 (South Carolina)
Posts: 14,265
Posted:
Jeannie

There is an issue or mistake somewhere. If you take in $38,000.00 and spend $37,800.00 per year (as you said) that is not enough left ($200.00 per year) to fund a Capital Reserve Fund. Even the out of touch FHA says you need at least 10% per year (at your $38,000.00 income that would be $3,800.00) going into Capital Reserve per year.

Please clarify.

Thanks.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Jeannie:

John hit a good nail on the head … the numbers do not compute.

You have at this tine $129,000 and have private roads which cost in the past $440,000. You want to make sure in the future that you have at least the $440,000 or MORE in reserves for future paving. And this does not include other items for which the association may be responsible for covering costs of repairs.

Now let me get this straight … the board wants to reduce the little $129,000 they currently have and potentially will not have enough in the future for paving? Instead of retaining money and saving until needed they want to insure in the future that they must again assess the owners for large sums of money to complete maintenance. Seriously …

BB5 (Missouri)
Posts: 145
Posted:
Your board/officers are as FLAKEY as ours time to check em out !!!!!!!
JeanieB1 (Alabama)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Wow. Such hostility from some of you. You pass judgement without knowing all the facts.

The current Board is the only one in the past 16 years that has listened to what the ENTIRE association wants, not just a few rich cats that want to spend our money because they want to turn our subdivision into a country club. We live in an area surrounded by woods with three lakes and a private boat launch to the river. The majority of people that live here are reitred and on fixed incomes. Our annual dues were $100.00 a year but over time they have climbed to $174.90 a year. (And just because other Association dues are a LOT more that ours, doesn't mean we should be paying more.)

We have a few common areas from which to fish and the boat launch. That's about it. 12% of the Association wants to put street lights everywhere, fountians in the natural ponds, gazebos and jungle gyms at the common areas, widen the boat launch so two boats can come in and out at the same time, not to mention installing gates at our three entrances. The other 88% do not want these things because they moved out to this area to be in the close to nature..........not a country club. (Our streets do not have curbs.)

When people from that 12% were on the Board, they were very deceptive in collecting money as well as spendnig it. THIS Board is doing everything in it's power to adhere to the covenants and the wishes of the entire (MAJORITY) of the homeowners. (What we cannot figure out is if these people want this stuff so badly, why don't they move to a place that has these things?)

I'm all for keeping the money in a reserve account for future repairs, payving, etc. The concern many peole have is that at some point in time these people may eventually make it back on the Board, and they believe they can help themselves to this money, spend it however they want without asking the homeowners.

We are currently in the process of amending the covenants for this very reason. We have to get 2/3 of the members to vote on the changes, and we are very close to achieving that number.

As for the $38,000.00 coming in with a budget of $37,000.00.....in that $38,000.00 is a $6,000.00 earmark for emergencies and/or general repairs as needed (above the standard stuff). If that money is not used, it is carried over to the next year, we pretty much are adding between $4,000 to $6,000 a year to the "reserve fund" as we rarely ever have to touch that earmark.

This forum is a great tool for reaching out for advice, but shame on you that judge without knowing all the facts. Thanks to those that offered sincere advice as I will take your thoughts to tomorrow night's Board meeting.

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Jeanie:

I apologize if sounded judgmental.

However, you also must understand that you were discussing spending and reducing the amount $129,000 you currently have in reserves when you stated:

“The Board I am currently serving on is trying to figure out a way to get this large sum down so it cannot be abused down the road.”

And which potentially would be a similar action for which you also accused others when you stated:

“It would be well over $200,000 right now how it not been for dumb/greedy/tyranical board members in the past.”

Unfortunately what you may have thought as “judgmental” was many of us taking your comments on their face value as stated. Most especially when you also mentioned in the future the association would potentially need a large sum for future paving, and yet wanted to minimize.

When you are amending your documents are you planning to have them state that the money allocated for certain items in the reserve cannot be utilized for other spending? I would potentially suggest you review the following statutes for Florida as they dictate how members are to handle the reserve accounts and might be a good tool to review for ideas:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0700-0799/0720/Sections/0720.303.html

Scroll about half way down the page to this section: (6) BUDGETS.—

Review this and see if it may be something your association is looking to produce and if so discuss with your association attorney on how to modify and insure nothing violates your State laws. These statutes do have some great points to insure money is kept for the right purpose and requires members to approve certain aspects or changes.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Jeanie,

The amount required in a Reserve fund is determined by the Associations Reserve Study.

The amount of funds in a contingency fund (used to offset budget shortfalls and unexpected repairs) is established by the Board. The Association should use historical data on expenses (perhaps an unusual expense one year) and the typical annual amount in delinquent accounts to help determine the level needed.

Some Associations have two contingency funds, one for the operating funds and one for the Reserve funds.

I expect that you know the operating fund should only be enough to cover normal expenses each year and that Assessments would equal the amount needed to fund all three funds (operating, reserve, contingency) divided by the number or lots or percentage of units (depending on the wording within your governing documents).

My advice would be to earmark the reserve funds into categories/line items based on the items you identified within your Reserve study:

Roads - x amount in account and x amount needed annually to fund
Playground - x amount in account and x amount needed annually to fund
etc, etc

This way, the membership and future BOD are aware why those funds were set aside. You should also be able to identify a scheduled maintenance/replacement schedule from your Reserve study. Publishing this will also keep the members informed and keep future boards from thinking funds are available.

If your in an area prone to natural disasters (tornadoes/hurricanes/earthquakes) your Reserves should also include the insurance policy deductibles.

Hope this helps,

Tim
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Side note: If you have 6 miles of paved road to maintain you will need a large reserve to mill and pave them in the future. We are going through estimates now and they are averaging $14 per square yard.

For your 6 miles (depending on width of road) you would need approx $600,000 at today's prices. Since prices vary with the price of oil, you should expect this to go higher rather than lower. Milling and Paving should be done every 20-30 years depending on weather conditions in your area. Since you said it was done 6 years ago, this gives you approx 20-24 years to raise the rest of the money.

Expecting that the full $129,000 is being set aside just for the roads, you need to continue to set aside $20,000 per year for those 6 miles of roads. Even at that you may need another special assessment when the time comes.

When was your last Reserve Study done?
JeanieB1 (Alabama)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Hey Tim,

I totally agree with you, and discussed some of the things that were in the blog the first go around with my fellow board members last night. We are all in agreement that the excess should be put into a reserve fund specific to the roads and nothing else. We completely removed the option from the ballot to reduce the dues.

I've only served as president for the past 2 1/2 years so am learning as I go, but the last several responses were exactly what I was hoping to get because they are most enlightening. There's never been a study of this type that I am aware of and we've been a part of this association since 1994. This is definitely something we this board will do in the near future.

I think we are onn track when it comes to having enough money to put aside (at least for now). For the past two years our budget has included an excess amount in case of emergencies. When we don't use that money it goes to the "reserve". What has not been done, but we'll do so moving forward, is to actually designate a specific amount to go to the road fund as part of the "budgeted items".

We are also going to establish something that says that money cannot be touch except for the purpose of (paying the roads). Gonna get with the attorney to make sure it is done according to Alabama HOA regulations.

Thanks again for kind reponse (not just to you but the others that were so gracious to respond to my second email.)

It is hard to share advice when one doesn't have all the facts, but then we could all probably write books on what we've experienced since serving on our respective boards and/or living in HOA's. LOL

Wishing everyone a blessed day!

Jeanie
JeanieB1 (Alabama)
Posts: 8
Posted:
Thanks, Janet.

See my response to Tim. Both of your responses were great information, and we will take it to heart and do what we can to protect that money for down the road expenses, and make sure we are putting enough aside so we're ready when the time comes.

One thing is for sure, I've learned alot about people since getting on this Board and especially since becoming President. (Nothing surprisse me anymore.) :o)

Again, thanks for offering your words of wisdom. They will be put to good use, I promise.

Be blessed,

Jeanie
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,062
Posted:
Jeanie,

Your most welcome. I'm glad I could offer some good advice.

If you follow the link in my previous thread (click the words "Reserve Study") you will be taken to a thread within this forum about the subject. In that thread are other links to excellent resources on how to perform a study yourself. It won't be as good as paying to have one done, but if you have never had one, it's a good place to start.

Like you, when I got involved with my Board I discovered that a study had not been done so I placed it on the agenda. We did the study ourselves and discovered we had to raise the assessments by 20% to fully fund the Reserves. Fortunately your Associations sounds like they have been thinking of putting money away better then we were so any increase shouldn't be as much as ours was.

Good luck. Please keep checking in with the forum and ask questions or offer advice to others so we can learn from your experiences.

Tim

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