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JoeC10 (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Board member of a self managed property.
Another b member (president) is behind on dues. Our part time manager is at each meeting and in closed session brings to the boards atten those that need to be considered to collections. As a board we have a threshold amount.. We as a board recommend they are sent collections but always consider situation and homeowner imput. Often there is none.

Our president was behind several years ago and a previous manager held this back from the entire board. With the new partime manager taking over over 2 years ago she paid up her dues. She has now gotten behind again. Our present manager only noted this to our treasurer only.

Has our present manager covered himself by only notifying the treasurer and not recommending presidents review.
Yes the last few months her amount has been on the report of past due accounts and we as a board have not inquired or asked about her past dues.

We are often focused on the recommendations of the manager..

I have been told that in the pre meeting with the president that it is noted to her that the figures are before the board and be prepared if they notice.

Has our manager acted in him realm of notice to the board and ultimately ethically..

Brought to the boards attention I do not think they would vote her to collections.

With this brought to light she now has requested a payment plan.
Case closed until she does not keep the aggreement.

Is the board in trouble with other owners we have sent to collection.?

Thank you for your opinion

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Joe … welcome to the forum.

Potentially the board could be in trouble with other owners because everyone is to be treated equally and if other owners choose to pursue.

The board has a fiduciary responsibility towards all Owners. When an issue comes before the board regarding a fellow board member, they should have the closed session without the offending member and vote the same as they would any homeowner in the same situation including collections. The individual being discussed should not participate and recuse herself from participating due to the conflict of interest.

The Board is the only entity to determine Manager’s actions. The individual is an employee of the board/association and acts within the scope of duties as assigned or designated by the Board. Therefore, the question would be to you and your board … “Did the individual act in the realm of notice under the duties assigned and ultimately ethically?” Also, the board has the ultimate responsibility, not necessarily the employee who is overseen by the board. You admitted the board was aware of the issue, even though may not have been specifically told by the manager.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Joe,

I believe that the manager did the right thing by reporting it only to the Treasurer. As that is who they should report all delinquencies to. It's the Treasurer's responsibility to make sure the collection policy for assessments is followed and report delinquent accounts to the board as the policy specifies.

As Janet said, your Board must now follow your existing procedures on collections as they would for any other member.

You already said that your Association tries to work with the members when possible. Therefore, working with the President on this issue would be no different. If it were my Association, and the issue was to the point of going before the Board, I would send a letter informing the President that policy requires us to bring the issue before the board and if they would like to offer options to resolve this issue, then to be prepared to do so at the meeting or pay what is due prior to the meeting.

BTW -

As Treasurer, I only mention the number of accounts that are x days delinquent. Names & lot numbers are never mentioned unless it needs to go to the attorney and then only in executive session. Until the issue needs to be voted on to forward to the attorney, The Board only needs to know how many accounts are delinquent and how much money that equates to. Not who the individual is.

Our policy is:

30 days - simple reminder letter from bookkeeper
60 days - formal letter from treasurer
90 days - certified letter from Treasurer of intent to accelerate payments and to turn issue over to attorney for collections.
90+ days - Discussion at Board meeting (member invited to attend but not required) in executive session. Vote to turn matter of "delinquent account" over to attorney in open session (but neither lot numbers or names are used in minutes).

Like you, if the member talks to us and has good faith in resolving the issue, we work with them. Often we will waive late fees. The Board typically may never waive the actual assessment.
DavidS36 (Nevada)
Posts: 20
Posted:
Your CC&R’s likely state that to be a Board member that the homeowner be “in good standing” regarding dues and fees. If a Board member is getting seriously behind in dues, say 60 days or so, the that person needs to be removed from the Board in order to avoid the appearance of favoritism.
TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
David,

I agree that they should say that.

The CC&Rs/Bylaws I've seen typically only require members to be in good standing to vote.
JoeC10 (California)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thanks everybody for the imput. The president is now a member in good standing because she has entered into a re payment plan. End of that story. My biggest problem is that the manager and treasurer have not brought the issue before the board at all. It is unknown exactly how long but dues are $195 and this person is $1400 or more behind.
I believe their has been an effort to hide this from the rest of the board. A manager does have to "manage" all persons and personality I know. I basically want board actions to be above board and this issue being kept quiet has bugged me. Our manager has seemed to have covered himself- fine-. The communication on this issue is being quieted because it is the president. I will be much more deliberate and not be rushed at our meetings. I have always had trouble with the board wanting the meeting over just after we begin. I could have and feel like I should have been informed about this or the manager to have brought this to the boards attention. He has afforded her cover. Meanwhile she has been a vote to send several to collections in the last few months. We do not move with letters until we get to 90 days and move to collections if their is no communications with the homeowner. We move to collections only after member has reach a figure that shows their effort to not resolve the situation. Thanks again.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
JoeC, We report all delinquencies to all Board members every month. IMO that is the way it should be - open and transparent.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Joe - the treasurer's report should list EVERY delinquent dues account - and whether they are doing 'terms" or are in default, lien status, etc.

This report can be listed by address only.

She needs to know that if she defaults on her terms, further action WILL happen.

Heaven help you if the general membership finds out about her delinquent status.

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