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FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
I can't find anything in our CC&R's about this but ...

If only the wife's name is listed on the title in the county auditor's records, is the husband considered a legal member of the association as far as voting rights, legal matters etc. are concerned ?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Typically, but not necessarily required by any law, both members of a household are afforded some common status as "owners" in common HOA business, regardless of who is on the title. Typically, they are both allowed to attend meetings, voice concerns, make comments, etc.. Typically, they would both be eligible to run for election, although it's usual to only allow one at a time to run/serve. And typically, the 'home' gets one ballot, and the HOA really doesn't care who marks on it with the pencil, as long as someone does, and it gets turned in.

However... YMMV, depending on the exact wording of an regulations, as well as how picky the board is to exact rules, AND, how much of a 'troublemaker' the household in question is perceived as being.

TimB4 (Tennessee)
Posts: 21,059
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BrianB on 03/17/2012 7:28 AM

depending on the exact wording of an regulations, as well as how picky the board is to exact rules, AND, how much of a 'troublemaker' the household in question is perceived as being.

As a reminder. If the Association is going to be "picky" and enforce the letter of the law on this one household, they must also enforce the letter of the law on all members.

If the Board wants to allow the husband to cast votes, etc, but is concerned over issues of not complying with the letter of the law, the Board can simply send a letter to the member requesting a proxy appoint to be on file every year or request a limited power of attorney to be placed on file specifying that, in addition to the wife, the husband may act for the wife as it relates to the obligations of the membership (voting, assessments, etc.).
MelissaP1 (Alabama)
Posts: 13,836
Posted:
It basically comes down to 1 vote 1 property. Married couples are often combined as 1 entity for various legal issues. Not to get confused with Taxes were a married couple can claim single/separate returns. The HOA does usually look at the legal name on the ownership papers as the true source of the owner's ID. However, since you can buy property Married or Single it can make the lines a bit blury.

Here's my simple solution to this issue and EACH HOA since it's run by it's members can pseu adopt how they want to handle this issue. I viewed that EACH property had 1 vote regardless of how many people lived/owned the home. That's it. However, if a wife wanted to run for the board then the husband couldn't that year. Vice -Versa. I had a married couple that would do that each year. It didn't double their voting ability as it was still 1 vote but just like me their household would have 1 board vote involved.

Now, this can cause quite the household strife. However, each household having one vote just meant that household had to agree how to use it. How they got to that decision wasn't HOA's business...LOL...

Former HOA President
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By TimB4 on 03/17/2012 8:29 AM
Posted By BrianB on 03/17/2012 7:28 AM

depending on the exact wording of an regulations, as well as how picky the board is to exact rules, AND, how much of a 'troublemaker' the household in question is perceived as being.


As a reminder. If the Association is going to be "picky" and enforce the letter of the law on this one household, they must also enforce the letter of the law on all members.

If the Board wants to allow the husband to cast votes, etc, but is concerned over issues of not complying with the letter of the law, the Board can simply send a letter to the member requesting a proxy appoint to be on file every year or request a limited power of attorney to be placed on file specifying that, in addition to the wife, the husband may act for the wife as it relates to the obligations of the membership (voting, assessments, etc.).

I totally agree Tim, but I was already writing a big answer to a small question, and I knew if I digressed into this discussion, I would write another couple paragraphs about this, the poor choice it was, legal tarpit, etc.. Thanks for coming behind, and grabbing what I dropped!

JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Fred:

Potentially under the law your wife is the legal member of the association. If you go to the State Statutes and look up definitions such as noted below in Ohio for a Planned Community (Condo would have similar definitions):

(K) “Owner” means a person who owns a lot in a planned community. “Owner” does not include any person that has an interest in a lot solely as security for an obligation.

(L) “Owners association” means an organization that is comprised of owners of lots in a planned community and that is responsible for the administrative governance, maintenance, and upkeep of the planned community.

It is the individual(s) who have legal ownership per the Warranty Deed / Title who are members of the association. If more than one individual then they must both or all agree on how to cast their vote for the property.

As Tim noted your wife can do a proxy and give you her rights regarding her membership.

Here is a link for your state statutes if needed:
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/53
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Thanks for all the thoughtful comments. Sorry, I should have elaborated a little more. The husband wants to be on the board but is know to be disruptive and generally confrontational.Something not generally known by the majority of owners.

It would seem that the board could disallow the nomination as long as it wasn't specifically aimed at this particular person and hadn't been allowed in the past, which in this case it wasn't since the situation has never come up before.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
If it is not noted in your CCR’s as you originally posted, then I would follow the State Statutes. The definitions section comes in pretty handy.
JanetB2 (Colorado)
Posts: 4,219
Posted:
Hi Fred:

Also be sure to check your Bylaws to insure what they state regarding board members. Some governing documents may allow non-owners to be elected to a board position so check ALL governing documents not just CCR's.

FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Thanks janet. I will check but don't recall seeing it in the past.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Our lawyer advised that they have to be on the deed to have the rights...
FredB4 (Ohio)
Posts: 375
Posted:
Brad,
That is what I thought. I can't find anything different in the sources I have checked.Thanks
NancyH12 (Texas)
Posts: 1
Posted:
The new Texas HOA laws state that both spouces may serve on the board at the same time. I have a question about power of attorney. Does a power of attorney give a non owner the right to be a board member or do board members have to be property owners only?

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